i think i found it, operation, system maintain , import/export. see there's layers of this thing that i haven't explored, haven't hadtime to get to it with to many roadblocks in the way. there's not even a current user manual for this thing, i found a 4.4.9 but it's still flawed and lacking features, even some of the camera manuals dont list all the features. language barrier doesnt help either. so quick to get these cameras and software out but has plenty of bugs and limited support. I know i drive people nuts on here, i though ti had a decent grasp on this stuff but man what a nightmare. thanks for the help, i'm going to direct connect and update the other thread.