BackStreet-Surveillance on Youtube; Am I being toooo critical of the information he is giving?

Maybe BS next commercial will kick off with this!

 
I actually have one of these cameras that I picked up cheap from someone locally on facebook. Not sure which model it is because it isn't listed anywhere in the UI. However, I do know that it is 4K and the picture quality is as good if not better than any of the dahua/empiretech cameras that I have.
 

I'm not saying who I feel may be right or wrong here but the truth doesn't need a resume. If you are right, it's not because of your resume. It's because the information you are providing is accurate. Accurate information can come from anywhere, even people without a published resume. And I looked through your resume. It seems you are a pretty good businessman. This business if the 4th most profitable business you've started? Congratulations on that. But I am a little unclear how your accomplishments as a businessman makes any of the other information others have put out invalid.
 
I actually have one of these cameras that I picked up cheap from someone locally on facebook. Not sure which model it is because it isn't listed anywhere in the UI. However, I do know that it is 4K and the picture quality is as good if not better than any of the dahua/empiretech cameras that I have.

That's a meaningless statement unless you list the model of the Dahua camera vs the camera model you are comparing to first. If you are comparing old Dahua/Empiretech cameras from years ago to a new model camera from a different brand, obviously the new camera with newer technology will be better than the older cameras.
 
That's a meaningless statement unless you list the model of the Dahua camera vs the camera model you are comparing to first. If you are comparing old Dahua/Empiretech cameras from years ago to a new model camera from a different brand, obviously the new camera with newer technology will be better than the older cameras.
Not trying to split hairs here (clarifying this for anyone else reading this because I think you know this), but the important part regardless of age of the camera is sensor size versus image resolution. If you have a brand new 4k camera resolution with a 1/2.8 " sensor camera it will not be able to perform as well as a 1080p resolution camera with the same size 1/2.8" sensor that is 5 or 10 years old.
The problem is physics. To catch a still image the 4k camera will take more time (slower shutter) to capture an image at the same exposure as the 1080p camera. So the 4k camera will suffer from motion blur in cases where the 1080p camera will not.
This is why people like @wittaj try to explain that the size of the sensor needs to be scaled with the resolution of the camera. The higher the resolution the larger sensor required. This is especially important if you want to be able to IDENTIFY culprits. Otherwise, all you will get is a blurry mess, especially at night. You can tweak the settings, and yes newer cameras may have some fancy adjustments and somewhat better low-light performance, but the laws of physics are what they are.

Anyone want to start a discussion on perpetual motion machines? It would be about as productive as this one, because until the OP addresses @wittaj's posts, this thread really can't go anywhere.

Though, we still aren't 100% certain the Backstreet account isn't a fake account trolling us...If so, it's pretty well done, I have to admit.
 
Attached is a pic from a actual install/car wreck at 50 feet from the camera using digital zoom. The 4K cameras provide enough pixels you can digitally zoom into the video and ID people at 60 feet.
What sensor size with that 4K camera are we talking about?
How did you manage to get so much light on those 2 people? Must be a parking lot where the "car wreck" happened.
Do you have another sample photo using that same 4K camera, digital zoom with perhaps less light and some movement?
 
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WOW there is so much dis-information coming from you guys. Please stop acting like you have installed thousands of cameras. WE HAVE INSTALLED 1000's OF CAMERAS, IN FACT WE SELL OVER 30,000 CAMERAS A YEAR. I've been in the security industry 34 years and sold over $160 million worth of CCTV products and systems. If I were just staring out...I would follow my advice rather than the uninformed advice provided here. You keep making false statements about the information we freely provide for the DIY market. Anyone reading this, be assured: YES you can get faces and plates up to 60 feet from the camera, we do it all the time. With 4K and digital zoom you can get the performance I am stating, Attached is a pic from a actual install/car wreck at 50 feet from the camera using digital zoom. The 4K cameras provide enough pixels you can digitally zoom into the video and ID people at 60 feet. If you can clearly ID the person in the image at 50 feet, an additional 10 feet will not effect the out come. Either the people posting here are uniformed or are using or selling cheap substandard equipment. I suggest buying better equipment and stop spreading disinformation...YOU'RE NOT HELPING ANYONE!

It gets old seeing weekend techs act like they have extensive real world experience. So readers can put a value to your posts, please provide your resume of experience so we all can put a value to your comments. I know this posting is a bit salty and will piss off the arm chair techs, but seriously stop acting like you know, and stop tearing down the hard work of others who actually know from real world experience. We have over 27,000 YouTube subscribers and not one is saying the lazy half baked comments I see here. Here is My Resume: Backstreet Surveillance Security Company - Business Surveillance Camera Company - Security Company in - CCTV Dealer - Security Installer. Lets see yours!

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What is the camera model, focal length, price, and specs (sensor size)?

Never mind I was able to find the original video. It claims it is the Pro90D, which is a 3.6mm 8MP on a 1/2.5" sensor with a 0.1 LUX rating. Less than an ideal MP/sensor ratio with a horrible LUX rating. Retails for $299 but is on sale for $212. WOW what a bargain. On the plus side it is NDAA compliant.

But that doesn't look to me to be 50 feet away from the camera like he claims. Maybe 20 feet. Camera is pretty high too.

Further look at the amount of light that camera has. How many lumens is that floodlight directly over the top of the scene?

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And then his digital zoom:

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Where are the examples of plates at 60 feet from a 3.6mm 4K camera digitally zoomed from night time with the vehicle in motion (preferably 25MPH or faster) in an area with little light?"


Your ONE example has quite a bit of light there and the subjects were not really moving at that time either. Sure under ideal conditions maybe a camera with some digital zoom would work, but it will be more miss than hit.

Every example you show or what I have seen from your website seems to have lots of light at night.

Most of us don't have that kind of light. Show us some examples on subdivision streets with no streetlights. That is what we are interested in. Samples from commercial sites with lots of light is a useless comparison to a homeowner situation.

So yes, I think our real world examples in subdivisions with our own cameras qualifies "as the hard work of others who actually know from real world experience." Our captures have put people in jail and/or arrested.

From our thread of images caught with better cameras we have this gem from 2017 with an old analog camera:

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And these from a 2MP varifocal camera at 60+ feet away horizontally from the camera and light source and nowhere near the light you have in the example provided:

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I think most will say these images from cameras made prior to 2020 are better than what I assume you provided was your best example, which as I pointed out I don't think that was 50 feet away from the camera plus it had some ideal light.

So again, prove to us your 3.6mm 8MP cameras can do IDENTIFY quality of people and plates at 60 feet in an area without a lot of light. Not 20 feet, 60 feet like you claim. We will wait....
 
You are the one that created it with fabricating claims that you haven't proved....

You can't overcome the law of physics regardless of how many cameras your resume says you have done. Nobody here is disputing how many cameras you have installed.

You haven't proven anything and put up examples that clearly don't meet what you said of obtaining identify quality and plates with a 3.6mm 8MP camera at 60 feet out.

The one example you provided is clearly not 60 feet, or even 50 feet like you claim.

Actually that makes you lose credibility....

And even if it was, it had a ton of light and would be an exception. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in awhile.

This site caters to the homeowner. All of your examples are in commercial locations with plenty of light. Big difference between a lot of light and zero or little light on camera performance.

You have yet to prove that a digital zoom of a person or plate at 60 feet away with a 3.6mm 8MP camera at night will beat an varifocal 2MP camera optically zoomed to capture IDENTIFY quality at 60 feet.

Maybe these posts will help you out:


 
That's a meaningless statement unless you list the model of the Dahua camera vs the camera model you are comparing to first. If you are comparing old Dahua/Empiretech cameras from years ago to a new model camera from a different brand, obviously the new camera with newer technology will be better than the older cameras.
I'm comparing a BackStreet model U180B-4K with a Dahua 5842.
 
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I'm comparing a BackStreet model U180B-4K with a Dahua 5842.

Not every camera Dahua makes is a winner. Many of us feel the 5842 is not. The 8MP on the 1/1.8" sensor struggles way more than it should. I think they haven't optimized the firmware for low light conditions.

Most, if not all here, will take the 5442 over the 5842 all night long.

Did you compare the 5842-ZE to the U180B-4K or was the 5842 the fixed lens.

It appears the U180-4K is a 2.8-12mm varifocal.

Unfortunately they do not list the sensor size on it and it appears to be at least a 5 year old camera.

Do you have any samples showing the quality of the U180-4K in low light?
 
So does the $300 CS90-4K turret camera which is 4K/8MP have only a 1/2.7" sensor as according to these specs linked from the Backstreet web site ?
 
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It's the 5842-ZE.

It actually not too bad. This sample is wiith zero additional light. The light in the background is the IR from my two LPR cameras.
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What settings are on that camera - are you able to set a shutter speed with that camera and have you tested with a person in motion going around the car?

My 5842 would show a lot of noise once I increased the shutter to minimize blur.
 
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While we wait for his samples of people at 60 feet with a 3.6mm, here are some excerpts from his videos.

This distance is probably less than 60 feet. Is this IDENTIFY quality of a person standing still? For somebody that knows them, yes. Handed to the police if they vandalized the place, no.

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I assume you did a digital zoom:

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Look at that blur. Clearly these folks are within 60 feet, but between the blur from probably being on default/auto settings and camera height and IR washout, I cannot get a clean image from the video to help the police IDENTIFY.

Fortunately this was 24/7 live monitoring and they were able to scare away the perps before they stole anything. Good thing because this provides no IDENTIFY characteristics for the police.

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That gain is off the scale to get the picturw that bright in my opinion. Shutter is clearly slow & gain is clearly massive causing noise & ghost effect.
 
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Could any of the admins of this forum check who actually created/logs into this user's profile (@Backstreet Surveillance)?

Because I have a strange feeling that this is a fake - some other user of this forum who is impersonating for fun...

At this point I am agreeing with this hypothesis :

"Because I have a strange feeling that this is a fake - some other user of this forum who is impersonating for fun... " - steve1225