Hi
@artificialearthy
On post #5 I directly answered the 5 questions you had posted:
Welcome
@artificialearthy
I'm going to just look at your 5 questions.. and give my quick take on them:
Would it be worthwhile to get a quality 8MP camera for my well lit areas, such as perhaps one of the above models? :
Get a 1/1.2" 8MP sensor model camera if you want a top quality low light image capture .. look for reviews here ..
And are there any decent 6MP models with 1/1.8" sensors that would work for fairly low light, or am I just looking at 4MP at this sensor size?:
No, for 1/1.8" go for the 4MP models .. for 1/1.2" if you want a 8MP model ..
Is there ever a situation to not use IR from a camera like this in low light? In other words, if I had say a 2MP 1.8" sensor, would it ever be better to run that camera without IR as opposed to with IR, despite the low light?
Do you want / need color information? Example: To identify someone? To identify a car's color? For most of us the answer is Yes.
Any other models that would be good to recommend to me, with a budget of ~100-150 per camera (open to Chinese resells, at least without a reason that makes sense to me against this)
Any general advice or recommendations for me?
Add more money to your budget, see the prior replies for models ..
On post #2 sebastiantombs provided numerous good links to questions associated with the topic at had
Hello, I've been using Shinobi for many years now with a decent number of some Chinese market Dahuas with very few issues. Due to stormy weather I've recently had a few go down and the replacements I chose weren't quite as satisfactory, so I'm reaching out here in hopes I could find something...
ipcamtalk.com
You have been afforded graceful answers from the start, and yet persist in seeming expecting that we somehow should invest our time to solve your issues.
In fact sebastiantombs pointed out directly to you:
"I did read your post and it indicated you were missing that point entirely " in response to your:
".. but it comes across as if you didn't read very much of my post. "
On post #4 samplenhold gives a good solid direct response and even points out the model series most member prefer as an option:
"Right now I am partial to the Dahua 5442 models." - samplenhold
Judging by your demands of our time and your claims to have
"I've read the wiki, and I've browsed various articles here over the years" - and yet still asking some basic questions, many of which have been covered numerous times, you should be aware of the vast amount of patience and generosity which have currently been afforded to you.
Alright, let's go through your comment piece by piece.
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In your first reply, you explicitly state yourself that it's a, "quick take" on things - You fully admit that it's not a detailed answer that completely covers the scope of the questions outlined in detail from my OP. I never said I didn't appreciate the quick take, but simply because you responded with a comment does not mean the purpose of my thread is automatically fulfilled.
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In post #2, sebastian posted text which was
exclusively restating things that I had said in my OP while avoiding the detailed inquiries into these points that I had asked. What am I to think when reading someone who is posting the same things I have already stated other than that my OP was not read in detail? He did post links to the 4K/X which were new to me, but even the suggestions for the 5442's were mentioned in my OP already. I do think it's nice to have the threads handy, but my response to him was not about the threads, either.
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"and yet persist in seeming expecting that we somehow should invest our time to solve your issues."
Well, yeah, that's what a forum is in principle, isn't it? I didn't drop a comment here and demand that people figure everything out for me - I came here with the explicit goal to better understand exactly
why higher resolution cameras are often avoided, specifically in regards to if Dahua and Hikvision offer high resolution solutions that
truly add resolution instead of noise. Only a few people directly addressed this point, and only after I replied asking for more information. What else would be the purpose of a forum other than sharing knowledge and experience?
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"In fact sebastiantombs pointed out directly to you:
"I did read your post and it indicated you were missing that point entirely " in response to your:
".. but it comes across as if you didn't read very much of my post." " - And if I was missing the point entirely, but still made note of every single point which he mentioned to me, what good did he do to help me better understand the topic by merely repeating what I stated in the OP? Again the entire point I have made here is that I didn't get a reply from him that was adding anything to the conversation; His response was purely information that I stated in the premise of the question (with links to 5442 and 4K/X threads). I never would have said he didn't offer any additional information if he... offered additional information. Let me demonstrate:
OP: Now I get it, don't chase the Megapixels, sensor size is the priority
Sebastian:
Don't chase megapixels. A 4MP camera on a 1/1.8" sensor will run rings around a 6MP camera with that same sensor.
OP: I get how for a given sensor size, you have so many individual light sensors that translate to the pixels in the camera's output, and thus how simple physics dictates that the more light sensors for a given area, there's less actual light for each sensor to use
Sebastian: That's simple physics because the available light getting to the sensor will be distributed over more pixels, IE less light to each pixel, when compared to the 4MP. There is no sensor size, that I'm aware of, between the 1/1.8 and the 1/2" for a decent 6MP with good night performance.
OP: I've been using Shinobi for many years now with a decent number of some Chinese market Dahuas with very few issues.
Sebastian: The best approach is to buy one good varifocal and test every location with it, both day and night, to determine the appropriate focal length required and if the camera will provide the day and night results you want.
He also commented about about specialized 2MP options and IR related bug problems, which I appreciate - but it didn't answer the asked questions. I want to be crystal clear here
again - I appreciate advice outside of the scope of my question and I am in no possible way saying that these comments were a negative thing - but that also doesn't mean that they answered the relevant questions I asked.
So again I will ask non-rhetorically: What else am I to think when reading that when everything he wrote gives the impression that he didn't read my OP in detail? Simply pointing out that my questions were not addressed is not the same thing at all as being ungrateful for someone's participation in the the thread. Would you accuse me of being ungrateful if someone posted spam in my thread and I replied in a similar fashion? I don't understand how you can even make the argument that you are making.
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"On post #4 samplenhold gives a good solid direct response and even points out the model series most member prefer as an option:
"Right now I am partial to the Dahua 5442 models." - samplenhold "
And I addressed him directly, thanked him for his help, and replied with follow ups where relevant. What are you trying to say here?
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"Judging by your demands of our time and your claims to have
"I've read the wiki, and I've browsed various articles here over the years" - and yet still asking some basic questions, many of which have been covered numerous times, you should be aware of the vast amount of patience and generosity which have currently been afforded to you. "
I made zero demands, and I have pointed this out to you already. If you are just going to continue to blatantly make up lies while ignoring my previous comments, I would prefer if you let me be in this thread. I again do not appreciate your false accusations.
My original questions were absolutely not, "basic" and instead were looking for a technical
understanding of things - I have said this repeatedly, including in the OP. I was not looking to be told, "Go buy X and shut up" but instead, "Here's the reason as to
why X is better than Y, and it relates to A in B manner." I made this clear from the start.
Furthermore, I've seen at least one or two of the people in this thread even mention that the
Wiki is quite out of date when it comes to specific products and such - I'm sure you wouldn't disagree. That's not to say that it has no value, but that it didn't answer the questions I was looking to
understand.
But with every answer given, you have posted a counter point, argument. So, for me it is getting to the point that I really feel that if you do not like an answer, you argue the fact. Then ask it again in different words. Like the color/LPR question that I answered before but then you asked
@wittaj again in post 27. I fully understand
@mat200 getting testy here.
I personally have spent quite some time reading your questions, thinking through the issues, and formulating a response. I have even included pics and links to other threads. But I was taken aback by your quick dismissal in post 17 of my response, especially the condensing "Thank you for your response" reply.
I think I have put in enough time to this thread. Good luck to you.
"But with every answer given, you have posted a counter point, argument. So, for me it is getting to the point that I really feel that if you do not like an answer, you argue the fact."
How else am I supposed to understand things if I do not try to converse with someone explaining something? You're basically telling me that you don't think I should seek an understanding, or try to have a conversation, or explain my thoughts/current understanding and instead just accept any advice that floats my way regardless of origin. If I behaved in such a manner, I would have bought Reolinks and never came here with the intent to learn more.
You'd have a point if I was actually
arguing with anyone here. I'm trying to have a conversation, and I've tried to be overly polite and formal in the approach. If any disagreement is an argument in your eyes, that's on you. Discussions can often be pointless without discourse between participants.
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"Then ask it again in different words. Like the color/LPR question that I answered before but then you asked
@wittaj again in post 27."
I asked him specific questions in relation to the specific type of camera that was brought up - My questions were not specific to LPR, but instead about LPR with white light cameras as opposed to IR. I even pointed out that I haven't gotten to reading the threads you linked to in my own comment. I've had successful LPR for my purposes for years already, but simply wanted to understand how those specific cameras related to the topic.
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"I personally have spent quite some time reading your questions, thinking through the issues, and formulating a response. I have even included pics and links to other threads."
And I've been very appreciative of your time and effort in this thread, and have shown as much repeatedly. It's in plain English above - I don't know what else you'd want from me to show you that I am not taking anyone's participation for granted.
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"But I was taken aback by your quick dismissal in post 17 of my response, especially the condensing "Thank you for your response" reply."
I don't know how you can even
begin to argue that me thanking you is a negative. You only see this as condescending because you want to see it that way, I would guess. I have been incredibly explicit throughout this thread that I am trying to be as nice as possible and even made note of how text can sometimes not convey the desired emotion. I have been extremely clear about my intentions.
