Best setup for 15 cameras

Omar Mohammed

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Mar 2, 2018
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Hi Peeps,

I seriously need some help.

I am looking to install 15 cameras around the home (in and out):

5 x 5mp - Continuous recording for 10 days at 25fps
5 x 5mp - Motion triggered recording only - 10 days at 25fps
5 x 2mp - Continuous recording for 10 days at 25fps

Connected to TV, and able to view remotely on Phone/Ipad etc

I have been looking at NAS - QNAP 673e (8gb RAM, 6 x 10tb raid 5) using Surveillance Station.

I have just stumbled across this site.

Would you recommend BlueIris on a PC over the QNAP? If so what setup would you recommend....

I am sorry....i'm a newbie, so i'll probably be slaughtered for being dumb!!!!!!!!!! I can take it!!!!
 
Sorry forgot to mention, the QNAP is costing around £2500 ($3300 USD) for the hardware and licences!!!!
 
Sorry forgot to mention, the QNAP is costing around £2500 ($3300 USD) for the hardware and licences!!!!

Hi Omar,

QNAP solution for security cameras is not very popular here, as you can imagine now that you've priced it out.

Recommend looking at the notes referenced at the end of this thread:
Resource Guide on IP Technology for all Noobs

Take some time to read through it.
 
Thanks @mat200....ill start reading.

Youre right, the price blew me away, but then as a novice, I just thought it would be straight forward for me as a plug and play!!!!!
 
Thanks @mat200....ill start reading.

Youre right, the price blew me away, but then as a novice, I just thought it would be straight forward for me as a plug and play!!!!!

Hi Omar,

Don't worry for less than that price from QNAP you should be able to setup a very nice kit once you've taken a closer look at those notes based on the wisdom and experience of the folks here on the forum.
 
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Thanks for the notes. I have read through these previously, and they are great in terms of the actual cameras. Based on this and other notes, I have chosen the cameras.

My next conundrum is the PC.

So I wanted to get advice on which PC is best:

HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF / Intel i7 /6700 @ 3.40GHz /16GB /NO HARD DRIVE/ DENTED | eBay
(No Box) HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF PC i7-6700 Win10 Pro 256GB SSD 8GB DDR4 W3L91ET | eBay
(No Box) HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF PC i7-6700 W10Pro 500GB 8GB DVD±RW T1P46AW | eBay
Refurbished Laptops, Desktops & Servers|Dell Outlet UK
 
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I would suggest the first machine or the second. The choice would be: is it cheaper to buy the first one and add a 256gb SSD or cheaper to buy the second and add 8gb more ram. Additionally if you buy the vastly superior IPC-HDW5231R-Z camera reviewed on this site it will be cheaper and much better at night. @fenderman is quite correct in recommending against the 5MP cams. The 5MP cams look great during daylight but perform very poorly at night. While the 5231 is a 2MP cam @ 1920x1080 the night time picture is spectacular and so very worth the loss in pixel count. I would suggest running the cams at 15fps, this site and many others will tell you that FPS above 15 give you almost nothing more of value or fluidity and cost a great deal more space. With fifteen 2MP cams running at 15fps 24/7 for 10 days you might be able to get away with an 8TB Western Digital Purple drive or else a 10TB should work. A copy of Blue Iris and you are basically done. Install the OS and Blue Iris program files on the SSD. Some may argue to put the initial recordings on an SSD but I think putting them directly on to the WD Purple drive is perfectly fine. You can setup RAID if you like but keep in mind that those computer cases appear limited on space for drives, additionally you would need either hardware to have RAID or else use software for the RAID function which with that many cams writing to disk might become an issue for performance.

The cost appears to be:
The computer (say the 1st one): 399.99
Samsung 256 SSD: 82.97
WD Purple 8TB: 238.54
Blue Iris (no idea how much it is in the UK so we will use the US price): 60.00
Sub Total: 781.50
If you want all 15 cams as well, I have no idea how much they would cost in the UK so we will use the US price: 166 x 15 = 2490
Two 16 port Gigabit Ethernet switches with 8 PoE ports: 116.99 x 2 = 233.98
Grand total 3505.48

You might need some CAT5e or CAT6 or CAT6a cabling to put those cams up. A box of 1000' of CAT5e from Monoprice on Amazon.co.uk is 73.95 plus maybe some crimps and a crimping tool and the super ultra grand total looks to be about 3600.00. For everything you could possibly need.

Ideally I would suggest you manually assign the IP addresses to the cameras and give them the wrong gateway address so they cannot speak to the open internet. Second I would suggest that instead of forwarding ports and exposing the Blue Iris PC to the open internet you setup an OpenVPN connection on your firewall. If your firewall can't do this you can buy one that does. You can also find a halfway decent old PC and run pfSense on it. Using a VPN to access your Blue Iris PC and thus the cameras on it remotely is the safest way to go.

Sorry for the somewhat incoherent post but it started out small and just kind of grew. Hope this helps and isn't more confusing. Let me know if you would like me to clarify anything I said
 
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Omar, here is hardware which will serve you well..
  • 15 Dauha PC-HDW5231R-Z vari-focal cameras
  • 24 Port POE switch
  • 15 Cat5e cables (build your own or purchase pre-made)
  • 01 Dell Optiplex 7040 Mini-Tower ("MT") i7-6700 CPU minimum
  • 01 256GB SSD for the system drive
  • 01 Western Digital Purple drive (4TB minimum...6TB perferred)
  • 01 Blue Iris surveillance software
  • 01 Blue Iris iOS app
This setup will cost you approximately US$4,100.00.

You won't be disappointed.
 
Thank you so much for all the help you have provided. You have really helped me and made me feel a lot more comfortable with going ahead with a PC based CCTV system.

Just one other quick question. I have seen an i7-6700 system, as advised above, but I have also seen an i7-8700 system....

Intel I7 8700 4.6Ghz Fast Office Home Multimedia Pc Computer 1Tb 16Gb Z11 | eBay

Would this be ok? Money is not the issue at all. Just trying to get the best I can.
 
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I'd purchase a HP or a Dell before I purchased a no-name box built by a stranger...especially a stranger who reported the i7-8700 was running at 4.6ghz which is turbo mode (and frankly less than honest).

The i7-8700 is a highly desirable processor; buy one if you can afford it, but buy it from a reputable seller. Again: you can't go wrong with a Dell of HP system.
 
Your poor cousins here in UK are starved for the variety of PCs across the pond....so it is a hunt!!!!!!

Ive narrowed down to 3 systems:

Dell XPS 8930 PC i7-8700 six core 8Gb 1Tb 16Gb PCIe GeForce GTX 1060 6Gb Win 10 | eBay

Dell Optiplex 3050 Mini Tower PC, i7 7700, 8GB , 500GB, DVD+/- RW, Win 10 Pro | eBay

Dell Precision T3620 Mini Tower, i7 6700, 16GB , 1TB, DVD +/- RW, 3Yr Warranty | eBay

I am assuming any of the 3 would be ok....I appreciate may need to upgrade certain parts

Looking to buy tomorrow....so final thoughts please
 
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  1. Presently the PCIe video card has no value when running Blue Iris; Blue Iris uses the Intel (on-board) HD video which is part and parcel of the i7 CPU, so you don't need a video card.
  2. In addition, if you want optimal speed run use a SSD for your system drive, so you can toss whatever hard drive comes with the system and install a 6TB Western Digital Purplesurveillance drive to record your Blue Iris captured video onto.
 
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