bidens incredible transition to electric cars

[IReallyLikePizza2]

Seeing all of the fire posts, cars filled with extremely flammable fuel could never catch fire could they

I think some of you guys are falling trap to the social media mind games put out there by political groups with ties to oil companies... I know we're all having a bit of fun, but I think some of you guys need to put your thinking cap on and really analyze some of the anti-EV stuff out there (Not to say there isn't liberal nonsense going the other way too, because of course there is)

Hyundai, Kia recall nearly 485,000 vehicles due to engine fire risk

The recalls from the two Korean automakers are another in a long string of fire and engine failure problems that have dogged the companies for the past six years.

www.freep.com

BMW Recalls More Than a Million Cars Over Engine-Fire Danger

The luxury carmaker says a "remedy is being developed."

www.cnet.com

VW Recalls 168,000 Diesel Cars to Fix Fire Hazard Issue

Automaker Volkswagen is recalling more than 168,000 diesel vehicles to correct a defect that ccan cause a fire hazard.

www.derricklawfirm.com

800K Mercedes Vehicles Could Be At Risk Of Fire But There's No Recall Yet

According to Bild, the automaker doesn’t have the parts it needs to fix the problem and cannot start the recall.

www.motor1.com

 

[garycrist]

One thing I do know. If we continue on this course then our new
rapid transit system for the Plebes is down below..

 

[TonyR]

No more relying on the fluctuating price of gas and no more filling the pockets of the Saudis when they decide to jack up the price with OPEC (Why are we supporting such a backwards country again?)

Ask Brandon!

The posts about the power gird I think are mostly nonsense or people that have never even thought about the topic, saying we shouldn't transition to EV's because the power grid is crappy is weird.

But, I think its not even an issue now.

I fully expect there to be no additional load to the grid for a long time.

I guess we're about to find out....any time now.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

No worries here, I can charge from my natural gas generator

 

[TonyR]

No worries here, I can charge from my natural gas generator

Yeah, I have a propane generator here, got it in 2011 after the April 27th tornado outbreak.
Lost power for 4 days.
Propane (and natural gas) burns so clean when compared to gasoline, no cylinder wall wash-down, the oil in this thing is as clear as the day it was when I put it in 11 years ago. Starts quickly too.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

Yeah, I have a propane generator here, got it in 2011 after the April 27th tornado outbreak.
Lost power for 4 days.
Propane (and natural gas) burns so clean when compared to gasoline, no cylinder wall wash-down, the oil in this thing is as clear as the day it was when I put it in 11 years ago. Starts quickly too.

25 hours on my 27kw Natural Gas unit, was pretty filthy! But I have read that just heating up and cooling down can turn oil back. I run it loaded for at least an hour per month. Should get cleaner and cleaner as time goes on



(Note, this is not all the oil obviously, just a sample to get an oil analysis done. Takes about 5 quarts)

 

[tigerwillow1]

Why don't we just you know, fix the power grid?

I don't disagree, but is it realistic that it will be done? Does fixing the grid take priority over the supposed 46,000 structurally deficient + poor condition bridges in the US that don't seem to get attention until they collapse?

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

I don't disagree, but is it realistic that it will be done? Does fixing the grid take priority over the supposed 46,000 structurally deficient + poor condition bridges in the US that don't seem to get attention until they collapse?

It seems to already be being done, if Texas is currently working on multiple projects to resolve issues on the grid, then we are going the right direction, because we have the trashiest grid around.

All over the country things are being worked on. But, the anti-EV crowd seems to hide that for some reason... Almost like its a push from an industry with a vested interest not to have cars that can be powered via ANY source of energy... Can't imagine who that would be

Grid-Scale Battery Storage In US Tripled In 2021

In a preliminary report, the US Energy Information Agency says grid-scale battery storage tripled in 2021 to more than 4.6 GW.

cleantechnica.com

Summary didn't load, new nuclear plants:

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Solar installations will triple by 2027 thanks to climate bill, report predicts

Over the next five years the U.S. solar industry will grow 40% more than prior forecasts thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act.

www.cnbc.com

Offshore wind farm proposed for Gulf of Mexico near Galveston could power 2.3 million homes

Two proposed wind farms off the Texas and Louisiana coasts would join offshore oil drilling rigs in the gulf as the Biden administration tries to boost the country’s clean energy supply.

www.texastribune.org

New electricity project in WA takes a twist on hydropower

An effort to generate energy along the Columbia through a concept called 'pumped storage' has drawn pushback from tribes and environmental groups.

crosscut.com

U.S. approves major transmission line from Wyoming to Utah

The Biden administration on Thursday gave final approval to a 416-mile electric transmission line that will help connect more wind and solar energy to the Western U.S. grid.

www.reuters.com

BLM approves construction of Ariz.-to-Calif. power line

The 125-mile-long transmission line on federal lands will help carry electricity from renewable projects.

www.eenews.net

It never ends, there is project after project after project, but the news seems to be banging on about how the grid is not being fixed

 

[sebastiantombs]

Fixing the power grid isn't something that will happen in even a ten or fifteen year timespan, even if they started it tomorrow morning. Getting a permit to install a new highline takes about ten years, then they still get hit with lawsuit after lawsuit stopping construction along the way.

Let's not forget a few hard facts. Where will all the rare earth and heavy metals come from? I know, strip mines using carbon based bulldozers and backhoes. Oh yeah, we can't even mine enough of those heavy metals and rare earths fast enough to supply enough batteries to produce the number of EVs that will be required.

Does anyone know what the battery capacity is of then entire planet right now? We currently have enough battery powered reserves to power the world for 75 seconds. With solar and wind farms competing for those same batteries how is that going to work out? It takes something like 10 or 20 thousand pounds of material to produce one, just one, battery to power an EV. Throw in solar and wind storage demands and we may as well dig up the whole planet, using carbon based equipment to do the digging and refining to produce those metals. Such a deal you'll never get again!

 

[TRLcam]

My only issue with the push to EV is it's being done backwards. We should first decide on the technology we will use to produce electricity in the future. Then start increasing grid capacity. At the same time develop a better technology for storing electricity that is not so harmful to the environment. A technology that doesn't leave us buying the ingredients from countries that don't like us. Then start loading the grid with EV's. It just seems to me we are doing it backwards and just asking for problems. The problems we have seen in California prove it.

As far as solar and wind goes, I think it makes sense for home use especially if you can store the power. But for power companies to install solar and wind to me it just does not make sense. If they covered every square mile of the US with solar and wind, we would still need power capacity for times when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. Without a method of storing the power it's just a waste. The only way around it would be to install power storage at the house. During the day you would charge off the wind/solar supplemented grid then use battery power at night.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

Fixing the power grid isn't something that will happen in even a ten or fifteen year timespan, even if they started it tomorrow morning. Getting a permit to install a new highline takes about ten years, then they still get hit with lawsuit after lawsuit stopping construction along the way.

Let's not forget a few hard facts. Where will all the rare earth and heavy metals come from? I know, strip mines using carbon based bulldozers and backhoes. Oh yeah, we can't even mine enough of those heavy metals and rare earths fast enough to supply enough batteries to produce the number of EVs that will be required.

Does anyone know what the battery capacity is of then entire planet right now? We currently have enough battery powered reserves to power the world for 75 seconds. With solar and wind farms competing for those same batteries how is that going to work out? It takes something like 10 or 20 thousand pounds of material to produce one, just one, battery to power an EV. Throw in solar and wind storage demands and we may as well dig up the whole planet, using carbon based equipment to do the digging and refining to produce those metals. Such a deal you'll never get again!

It doesn't seem like there's much of a shortage when someone does an actual study on it, instead of just speculation from the news

Enough raw metals to make 14 million electric cars globally in 2023 –…

There is enough nickel and lithium to meet the world’s electric car needs, but Europe’s policymakers must do more to shore up supplies of sustainably…

www.transportenvironment.org

You know what else is mined and destroys the earth? Oil, gas, coal... There is no getting away from mining unless we can grow cars on tree's

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

My only issue with the push to EV is it's being done backwards. We should first decide on the technology we will use to produce electricity in the future. Then start increasing grid capacity. At the same time develop a better technology for storing electricity that is not so harmful to the environment. A technology that doesn't leave us buying the ingredients from countries that don't like us. Then start loading the grid with EV's. It just seems to me we are doing it backwards and just asking for problems. The problems we have seen in California prove it.

As far as solar and wind goes, I think it makes sense for home use especially if you can store the power. But for power companies to install solar and wind to me it just does not make sense. If they covered every square mile of the US with solar and wind, we would still need power capacity for times when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. Without a method of storing the power it's just a waste. The only way around it would be to install power storage at the house. During the day you would charge off the wind/solar supplemented grid then use battery power at night.

Without typing a long drawn out answer, my point to both of these is that FOR PROFIT energy companies are installing more and more wind and solar and battery, because its so much cheaper and do make sense. Its not mandated by the government, but companies are doing it, what does that tell you? Its profitable and makes more sense than fossil based plants

The fact you say it makes sense on a home is funny, because solar and wind work so much better when scaled up.

Same with EV's, no one is forcing anyone to buy an EV (Well, not yet anyway) but companies are making them, and people are buying them. Why do we need to sit around and decide on a future way to produce electric when we already have electric right now that can power an EV?

I really don't get either point. Are you saying we should artificially ban the sale of a type of vehicle until some government entity decides what it can and can't be charged from? To add, even if we were to power every EV on the planet from fossil fuels, its STILL more efficient than ICE cars, and it moves the pollution to a central, out the way location

I'm really against anyone forcing anyone to buy something, like California banning small engines etc. The market will decide, and honestly apart from range and the cost, I don't see a reason against EV's... And both I hope come down (Or up, whatever, you get my point)

 

[TRLcam]

I guess my point that you are missing is, solar and wind are predictably undependable and work only about half of the time. Because of that we need a grid that has the capacity to power 100% of the users 100% of the time without solar and wind. Even if solar and wind can produce power cheaper we still need power plants that can produce power 100% of the time.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

I guess my point that you are missing is, solar and wind are predictably undependable and work only about half of the time. Because of that we need a grid that has the capacity to power 100% of the users 100% of the time without solar and wind. Even if solar and wind can produce power cheaper we still need power plants that can produce power 100% of the time.

I'm with you there, but I don't know why need to wait to get EV's? We can (and are) doing it now

 

[TRLcam]

I'm with you there, but I don't know why need to wait to get EV's? We can (and are) doing it now

Look at the example California has set. During the latest heat wave, the governor recently requested people not charge their EV because the grid can't handle it. California has no plans to produce more power in their own. And now they are shutting down a nuclear plant. Their plan is to buy power from neighboring states. What happens when neighboring states load their grid with EV's and can't share their excess capacity. They will end up with the same problem as they have now with water. Counting on mother nature to provide snow in the Colorado basin to fill the swimming pools and water the Kentucky bluegrass in the lawns. I predict a future mandate to use water if your address is an odd number and charge your EV if you address is an even number. The rest of the states should learn from the California example.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

So one states issue should be a template for the rest of the country? ERCOT routinely requests Texas use less power, but our request is that the AC gets turned down (Since we all use a ton of AC, and California has a ton of EV's)

By that logic new houses shouldn't have AC until we figure out a power source for them

There is no problem charging EV's, why is everyone so eager to make it seem like there is?

I'm sure these same arguments were thrown around when AC's were invested, how did that play out? Yet AC's use WAY more power than charging an EV

 

[tigerwillow1]

I'm with you there, but I don't know why need to wait to get EV's? We can (and are) doing it now

I'm not against EVs. I'm against the governments forcing them. If they're as good as the proponents say they are (and I'm not saying they're not that good), with lower fuel cost, less maintenance, etc., the market will adopt them where they have their place. But the government has to force them on people who aren't ready for them, and in situations where they don't make sense. Plug-in hybrids IMO offer an ideal solution for a low-risk transition, but the greenies can't have that. Must crush the ICE and stick a lot of people with politically correct vehicles that don't work for them any better than a bricked camera. What's going to happen when there's a freeway closure in Minnesota when it's below zero and a few miles of cars have no battery left because the drivers had to choose between killing the battery and freezing to death?

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

I'm not against EVs. I'm against the governments forcing them. If they're as good as the proponents say they are (and I'm not saying they're not that good), with lower fuel cost, less maintenance, etc., the market will adopt them where they have their place

I'm right with you there

But the government has to force them on people who aren't ready for them, and in situations where they don't make sense.

Agree

Plug-in hybrids IMO offer an ideal solution for a low-risk transition, but the greenies can't have that.

Agree there, if they made a plug in hybrid F150 Powerboost, I would buy one right now

But watch this video, has some great points

What's going to happen when there's a freeway closure in Minnesota when it's below zero and a few miles of cars have no battery left because the drivers had to choose between killing the battery and freezing to death?

You could run the heater for a hell of a long time in an EV with no problem, since it uses no power just sitting there. Estimates are at about 2.5kw for a stationary EV in sub zero temps keeping the cabin at 70 degrees and conditioning the battery (And that will go even lower when more EV's have heat pumps)

Assuming a 50kw car at just half charge you have 25kw to play with, that gives you 10 hours of heat. Plenty of people drive around with tanks quite low, so honestly its no better than a gasoline car

 

[sebastiantombs]

It doesn't seem like there's much of a shortage when someone does an actual study on it, instead of just speculation from the news

Enough raw metals to make 14 million electric cars globally in 2023 –…

There is enough nickel and lithium to meet the world’s electric car needs, but Europe’s policymakers must do more to shore up supplies of sustainably…

www.transportenvironment.org

You know what else is mined and destroys the earth? Oil, gas, coal... There is no getting away from mining unless we can grow cars on tree's

You do realize that there are about 350 million cars in the US and over a billion and a half in the world, right? I guess the supply of lithium, along with nickel and cobalt (to name a few more) are also in line with that number of cars or infinite, better yet.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

You do realize that there are about 350 million cars in the US and over a billion and a half in the world, right? I guess the supply of lithium, along with nickel and cobalt (to name a few more) are also in line with that number of cars or infinite, better yet.

Yeah, and why do they need to be replaced all at once? They won't be. It will take a LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG time. Especially in less developed countries, and that's okay

I'm with @tigerwillow1 here (And probably most sane people) that EV's should just naturally take over as they become the better option. Want a gas car? fine. Want a diesel truck? fine. But one of these days, you probably won't want one because an EV makes more sense

I'm all for the anti-EV-forcing but I don't understand just anti-EV, it just makes no logical sense