Blessing in disguise…. Sorta

[mat200]

I sent him a message and will await his response. Thanks

FYI - here is an example of a model I would consider for a better 8MP coax camera .. this is a varifocal model, so you can adjust the FOV and thus pixels on target as needed.

There are also non=varifocal, in which case I would look at 3.6mm lens or stronger .. ( 6mm if you want to watch the street for example )

note: this is from searching Dahua's international website .. not the USA version ..

HAC-HDW2802T-Z-A
4K Starlight HDCVI IR Eyeball Camera

Starlight, 120dB True WDR, 3DNR
Max. 4K resolution
HD/SD switchable
Audio in interface, built-in mic
3.7-11mm motorized lens
Max. IR length 60m, Smart IR
IP67, DC12V±30%

If you need better low light performance, then perhaps this model .. 4MP and a 1/1.8" sensor .. ( also a varifocal )
HAC-HDW2402T-Z-A
4MP Starlight+ HDCVI IR Eyeball Camera





Of course you can pick on good 4MP w/a 1/1.8" sensor ( better for low light image capture ) and one 8MP w/a 1/1.8" sensor ( better for day time image capture as you have more resolution )

Many ways to mix and match - and it could be that you just start out adding one better coax camera to your kit ..

 

[Rusty Ross]

FYI - here is an example of a model I would consider for a better 8MP coax camera .. this is a varifocal model, so you can adjust the FOV and thus pixels on target as needed.

There are also non=varifocal, in which case I would look at 3.6mm lens or stronger .. ( 6mm if you want to watch the street for example )

note: this is from searching Dahua's international website .. not the USA version ..

HAC-HDW2802T-Z-A
4K Starlight HDCVI IR Eyeball Camera




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If you need better low light performance, then perhaps this model .. 4MP and a 1/1.8" sensor .. ( also a varifocal )
HAC-HDW2402T-Z-A
4MP Starlight+ HDCVI IR Eyeball Camera


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Of course you can pick on good 4MP w/a 1/1.8" sensor ( better for low light image capture ) and one 8MP w/a 1/1.8" sensor ( better for day time image capture as you have more resolution )

Many ways to mix and match - and it could be that you just start out adding one better coax camera to your kit ..

both of those options are compatible with my system now? Just unplug one and plug in the new? Sorry, this is all new to me

 

[mat200]

both of those options are compatible with my system now? Just unplug one and plug in the new? Sorry, this is all new to me

Hi @Rusty Ross

I believe they should be as you have a Dahua OEM coax kit that is rebranded as Lorex ...

Personally, I have not used much coax cctv cameras so I have less knowledge than others here on that topic ..

 

[wittaj]

Those varifocal lengths will struggle with plates beyond about 35-40 feet, so you would need to get the camera a lot closer to the street.

A varifocal up to 11 to 13mm is good for a camera on a mailbox or installed close to the road.

@EMPIRETECANDY is in Hong Kong, so he should be waking up and showing up here any minute now LOL

 

[Rusty Ross]

Those varifocal lengths will struggle with plates beyond about 35-40 feet, so you would need to get the camera a lot closer to the street.

A varifocal up to 11 to 13mm is good for a camera on a mailbox or installed close to the road.

@EMPIRETECANDY is in Hong Kong, so he should be waking up and showing up here any minute now LOL

might upgrade the ones I have a few at a time, and install the LPR camera as you mentioned earlier

 

[wittaj]

might upgrade the ones I have a few at a time, and install the LPR camera as you mentioned earlier

I think that is your best choice. Then if you ever move into IP cameras, you are set!

Looking at your images above, it looked like camera 5 labeled street would be the perfect location for it. I would put it here and optically zoom in to about the box on red or even down the street a bit to catch the cars turning right from the other street.



Now if you are in a one plate state, then you would need one looking the other direction.

 

[Rusty Ross]

I think that is your best choice. Then if you ever move into IP cameras, you are set!

Looking at your images above, it looked like camera 5 labeled street would be the perfect location for it. I would put it here and optically zoom in to about the box on red or even down the street a bit to catch the cars turning right from the other street.

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Now if you are in a one plate state, then you would need one looking the other direction.

Ironically that is a dead end street for now so the cars have to turn left, so I could move that red box slightly to the right, or leave it there?

edit: sorry I meant to say I live on the corner house so the white car is facing the dead end of the street. Just trying to make sense

 

[wittaj]

Oh then you are perfect whether it is a one plate or two plate state!

 

[looney2ns]

Pleas study the LPR subject area of this board. Lpr is not plug and play, you will need to spend time fine tuning settings in the camera.

 

[sebastiantombs]

LPR

New to LPR? Considerations Before You Begin

Thought I would throw together a post on my experiences so far with LPR in an effort to help others that are considering running down that rabbit hole. There are some practical considerations you should know about LPR. I am approaching this from the position of using Blue Iris and Plate...

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LPR Case Study: Scoping, Planning, Proof of Concept, Installation, & Results

Introduction This thread is about my journey into LPR (License Plate Recognition) after having about 18 months of experience with IP cams and having quite a bit of my system finished. I am not an expert on LPR, or IP cameras either. But I have spent a lot of time working with my system and...

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LPR

Licence Plate Reader cameras

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[EMPIRETECANDY]

I checked @Rusty Ross DVR, it's a full analog DVR, not a XVR, so will be hard to add the IP super model in. LPR normal camera will not work, so if he wants the IP have to set up the 2nd system, that is bit complex for a simple home system. No Analog please it's 2022 now.

 

[Rusty Ross]

FYI - here is an example of a model I would consider for a better 8MP coax camera .. this is a varifocal model, so you can adjust the FOV and thus pixels on target as needed.

There are also non=varifocal, in which case I would look at 3.6mm lens or stronger .. ( 6mm if you want to watch the street for example )

note: this is from searching Dahua's international website .. not the USA version ..

HAC-HDW2802T-Z-A
4K Starlight HDCVI IR Eyeball Camera




View attachment 134400


If you need better low light performance, then perhaps this model .. 4MP and a 1/1.8" sensor .. ( also a varifocal )
HAC-HDW2402T-Z-A
4MP Starlight+ HDCVI IR Eyeball Camera


View attachment 134402


Of course you can pick on good 4MP w/a 1/1.8" sensor ( better for low light image capture ) and one 8MP w/a 1/1.8" sensor ( better for day time image capture as you have more resolution )

Many ways to mix and match - and it could be that you just start out adding one better coax camera to your kit ..

inquiring about those cameras, they show to not have any in stock. She mentioned this model instead
HAC-HDW1800TLP-A

 

[Rusty Ross]

inquiring about those cameras, they show to not have any in stock. She mentioned this model instead
HAC-HDW1800TLP-A

Well I ordered 2 of them from alibaba so we’ll see how they do. If nothing else, I can always sell them!

this is the list she shows to carry

 

[wittaj]

Unfortunately that is the same focal length as you have now, so it will be useless for plates on the street even if you mounted it on a mailbox.

You need a focal length of around 12mm to get plates at about 35 feet.

You need a focal length of around 32mm to get plates at about 50 feet

You need a focal length of around 64mm to get plates at about up to 175 feet before additional IR is needed.

 

[Rusty Ross]

Unfortunately that is the same focal length as you have now, so it will be useless for plates on the street even if you mounted it on a mailbox.

You need a focal length of around 12mm to get plates at about 35 feet.

You need a focal length of around 32mm to get plates at about 50 feet

You need a focal length of around 64mm to get plates at about up to 175 feet before additional IR is needed.

for now I’ve given up on the plates and will upgrade my current cameras to have slightly better quality. Then at a later date I will look into getting an LPR camera with its own baby NVR setup. I’m just hoping the cameras I bought are better than what I currently have. Built in mic is a plus for me!

 

[wittaj]

Oh, yea in that case that will be an improvement over what you have!

 

[Rusty Ross]

Oh, yea in that case that will be an improvement over what you have!

well after paying for said items she told me they didn’t have the updated stock and apparently were out of those as well. Are those cameras indeed better or should I try and find the ones @mat200 recommended earlier? Looks like I’m back to square 1

again, for now slightly upgrading the current cameras and will focus on the LPR setup at a later time

 

[wittaj]

While they would be an improvement, at the heights you have your cameras, you are not going to get IDENTIFY at night for most/all of them as they are too high and all the IDENTIFY distance is lost in the vertical distance, so for observation purposes, they probably will be fairly similar.

Personally, I wouldn't replace your 2.8mm cams with another 2.8 or 3.6mm camera - either get a varifocal so you can optically zoom in and flatten the angle or lower the cameras or make the jump to IP cameras.

 

[mat200]

well after paying for said items she told me they didn’t have the updated stock and apparently were out of those as well. Are those cameras indeed better or should I try and find the ones @mat200 recommended earlier? Looks like I’m back to square 1

again, for now slightly upgrading the current cameras and will focus on the LPR setup at a later time

That is good news @Rusty Ross

The model I selected have larger sensors .. look for models with larger imaging sensors ( example 1/1.8" and 4MP or 8MP )

 

[Rusty Ross]

While they would be an improvement, at the heights you have your cameras, you are not going to get IDENTIFY at night for most/all of them as they are too high and all the IDENTIFY distance is lost in the vertical distance, so for observation purposes, they probably will be fairly similar.

Personally, I wouldn't replace your 2.8mm cams with another 2.8 or 3.6mm camera - either get a varifocal so you can optically zoom in and flatten the angle or lower the cameras or make the jump to IP cameras.

the cameras are installed in the eaves of the house so can’t really install them any lower. The driveway is the only one that is higher just because of the way the house was built.