Blue Iris in docker working

[Caveman]

I have access to a truckload of Broadwell based HP Core i5s laptops and desktops, but that doesnt stop me from wanting to run BI in Docker to consolidate.

I use OpenVPN to access any local resource, but I still have to take constant Windows Updates into consideration.

Im currently running a Win10 VM with 4 cores and 8GB of RAM from my newly built VMWare ESXi 6.7 u1 server:
Intel Xeon D-1541 8c/16t
64GB 2666MHz DDR4 ECC RAM
512GB + 256GB NVMe Samsung SSDs (PM981/960 EVO)

Im considering the Nvidia GTX 1650 due next week since it has the newest Turing NVENC supposedly. Passing it through to an Ubuntu VM running Docker would make me able to GPU accelerate Plex and BI at the same time.

Now I have to run Plex and BI in the same Win10 VM, and Plex is not as stable sadly.

 

[fenderman]

I have access to a truckload of Broadwell based HP Core i5s laptops and desktops, but that doesnt stop me from wanting to run BI in Docker to consolidate.

I use OpenVPN to access any local resource, but I still have to take constant Windows Updates into consideration.

Im currently running a Win10 VM with 4 cores and 8GB of RAM from my newly built VMWare ESXi 6.7 u1 server:
Intel Xeon D-1541 8c/16t
64GB 2666MHz DDR4 ECC RAM
512GB + 256GB NVMe Samsung SSDs (PM981/960 EVO)

Im considering the Nvidia GTX 1650 due next week since it has the newest Turing NVENC supposedly. Passing it through to an Ubuntu VM running Docker would make me able to GPU accelerate Plex and BI at the same time.

Now I have to run Plex and BI in the same Win10 VM, and Plex is not as stable sadly.

You can stop all Windows updates... Why do you need to take them into consideration... Running Plex and bi on the same system is foolish. Dedicate a PC to Blue Iris

 

[Caveman]

You can stop all Windows updates... Why do you need to take them into consideration... Running Plex and bi on the same system is foolish. Dedicate a PC to Blue Iris

Plex also supports GPU acceleration, it works fine running both on the same machine. Maybe not if you run 20+ cameras..

 

[fenderman]

Plex also supports GPU acceleration, it works fine running both on the same machine. Maybe not if you run 20+ cameras..

it does not work fine. You will experience issues and blame it on BI. It amazes me that folks dont get this basic concept.

 

[Caveman]

I havent has issues with Blue Iris and I cant remember where Ive made such claims.

The fact that Blue Iris runs fine on Windows, doesnt stop me hoping for a Docker version in the future. Ive moved my Blue Iris install around between 2 different VMWare hosts, a Kaby Lake i5 Intel NUC, HP Elitedesk 8300 and HP Elitebook 840 G2 over the last year.

Blue Iris has ran like a champ on all setups, but Id rather have less boxes and most of my home serving needs on the same box. Also why I moved my entire Home Assistant Docker stack from the Intel NUC into the Xeon D-1541 setup.

Pfsense firewall/router is the only thing I dont wanna virtualize.

 

[fenderman]

I havent has issues with Blue Iris and I cant remember where Ive made such claims.

The fact that Blue Iris runs fine on Windows, doesnt stop me hoping for a Docker version in the future. Ive moved my Blue Iris install around between 2 different VMWare hosts, a Kaby Lake i5 Intel NUC, HP Elitedesk 8300 and HP Elitebook 840 G2 over the last year.

Blue Iris has ran like a champ on all setups, but Id rather have less boxes and most of my home serving needs on the same box. Also why I moved my entire Home Assistant Docker stack from the Intel NUC into the Xeon D-1541 setup.

Pfsense firewall/router is the only thing I dont wanna virtualize.

I'm not referring to you specifically I'm referring to the VM users as a group.. there are issues... Once again voicing your foolish wish list here does nothing...

 

[fenderman]

Caveman's insulting post was deleted. I don't understand folks who think they can say anything they want with impunity.

 

[m_listed]

You can stop all Windows updates... Why do you need to take them into consideration... Running Plex and bi on the same system is foolish. Dedicate a PC to Blue Iris

Just because something works fine doesn’t mean it’s the best or most efficient way to make it work. You could run BI as the sole application on a NASA supercomputer, and it would work great. Doesn’t mean it’s not a stupid idea.

 

[fenderman]

Just because something works fine doesn’t mean it’s the best or most efficient way to make it work. You could run BI as the sole application on a NASA supercomputer, and it would work great. Doesn’t mean it’s not a stupid idea.

Correct running it on a nasa computer is. Running it on a vm or docker is as well.

 

[vfrex]

BI seems to be the only software keeping many self-hosting home users from switching off esx/kvm/xen entirely and running their services in containers. Runs the risk of losing a chunk (perhaps insignificant) of the paying customer base if a container-friendly alternative were to evolve to good enough - feature parity isn't really required. I'd guess most folks upgrade to 5, but imagine 6 will be more contested.

fenderman, I don't think it's a great idea to keep machines unpatched even if not exposed to WAN. Vulnerabilities are uncovered periodically in VPN implementations, and it is not always reasonable to assume the LAN is friendly.

 

[fenderman]

BI seems to be the only software keeping many self-hosting home users from switching off esx/kvm/xen entirely and running their services in containers. Runs the risk of losing a chunk (perhaps insignificant) of the paying customer base if a container-friendly alternative were to evolve to good enough - feature parity isn't really required. I'd guess most folks upgrade to 5, but imagine 6 will be more contested.

fenderman, I don't think it's a great idea to keep machines unpatched even if not exposed to WAN. Vulnerabilities are uncovered periodically in VPN implementations, and it is not always reasonable to assume the LAN is friendly.

Keep dreaming. The BI customer base doesn't know what docker is. The blue iris developer doest care about you. Your implied threat to leave for version six in 2023 is cute. Leave. Feature parity is important. The features is why you use blue iris.

You are not a government agency. If you are concerned about being the target of a vpn vulnerability run a separate vlan.

 

[TonyR]

Nah, Windows is terrible and bloated. This is 2019, and no one’s dedicating an entire PC to Blue Iris and Windows bare metal because it’s a waste of computation and power.

You gotta be kidding me. Yes, it is 2019 and so:

Windows PC that will run BI = $140
BI = $50
Total = <$200

I spent $350 on a new lawnmower last summer and I only use it 2-3 times a month, 5 months out of the year. Dropped $200 on jeans, underwear and shirts 2 weeks ago. Neither of them, the mower or the clothing, operate 24/7/365 to help provide security and peace of mind as does my relatively small investment in a PC.

Regarding power consumption: I can afford having the above PC run 24/7/365 because it is important to me. I've been in the homes of friends that say they are energy aware but their 65" TV runs 24/7, there are 10 laptop and phone chargers plugged in constantly and they leave most of their outside lighting on all night to help them feel more secure. Half their inside lights are on all day, too.

"Waste of computation" ? I can't even respond to that.....

 

[vfrex]

Keep dreaming. The BI customer base doesn't know what docker is. The blue iris developer doest care about you. Your implied threat to leave for version six in 2023 is cute. Leave. Feature parity is important. The features is why you use blue iris.

Dreaming? Implied threat? For someone unaffiliated with the dev, you seem to take criticism of BI remarkably personally. I don't have a horse in this race - will use what makes sense to me. Feature parity of a subset of features is important - Microsoft is the king of breaking into enterprise markets with cheaper, good-enough software. BI's resource consumption, motion detection options, and alert/mobile access features are what I'd guess matter to the majority of users who make decisions for themselves - certainly to me. Existing SMB and managed type users won't change, but every business needs a stream of new customers and every one makes an evaluation. Shinobi is pretty close on resource consumption and has a lot of extended functionality - it launched in 2017. Object detection offloaded to GPU or an Intel compute stick should obviate the need for as full featured motion detection. Motion and ZoneMinder won't be far behind.

Here's an example. I believe Emby is chipping away at Plex's user base. It isn't quite as polished and it isn't necessarily fully featured, but there is still a growing number of free and premium users. Plus an enterprising group of OSS devs forked Emby and are releasing improvements and features at a blistering pace - Jellyfin has 5 million pulls on DockerHub and less than 6-months old. These users are coming from Plex. If you take away the need for advanced motion detection and rely on object detection to squelch false positives, the bar to get close enough no longer seems insurmountable. At that point things like ease of deployment will matter more, and considering how often we see the recommendation not to upgrade from the BI application, it is pretty clear Docker fills an important role.

 

[aristobrat]

For someone unaffiliated with the dev, you seem to take criticism of BI remarkably personally.

Going through his post history here, the amount of time he's spent helping BI owners with issues is likely second only to the BI developer. My thought is .. if he's got a strong opinion on a BI-related matter, there's a good chance it's based on that experience.

Everyone's got an opinion. They don't all have to be the same.

 

[fenderman]

Dreaming? Implied threat? For someone unaffiliated with the dev, you seem to take criticism of BI remarkably personally. I don't have a horse in this race - will use what makes sense to me. Feature parity of a subset of features is important - Microsoft is the king of breaking into enterprise markets with cheaper, good-enough software. BI's resource consumption, motion detection options, and alert/mobile access features are what I'd guess matter to the majority of users who make decisions for themselves - certainly to me. Existing SMB and managed type users won't change, but every business needs a stream of new customers and every one makes an evaluation. Shinobi is pretty close on resource consumption and has a lot of extended functionality - it launched in 2017. Object detection offloaded to GPU or an Intel compute stick should obviate the need for as full featured motion detection. Motion and ZoneMinder won't be far behind.

Here's an example. I believe Emby is chipping away at Plex's user base. It isn't quite as polished and it isn't necessarily fully featured, but there is still a growing number of free and premium users. Plus an enterprising group of OSS devs forked Emby and are releasing improvements and features at a blistering pace - Jellyfin has 5 million pulls on DockerHub and less than 6-months old. These users are coming from Plex. If you take away the need for advanced motion detection and rely on object detection to squelch false positives, the bar to get close enough no longer seems insurmountable. At that point things like ease of deployment will matter more, and considering how often we see the recommendation not to upgrade from the BI application, it is pretty clear Docker fills an important role.

I have no affiliation with blue iris despite your false implication otherwise. This will be your last warning for disseminating false information.
I take bullshitters like you personally.
Yes, you know, how fools like you often claim they will be leaving blue iris for this or that. YOU WONT - because blue iris beats them all hands down for the price - and even has features not available on software that has a 150 per camera licensing. Its a cute threat though - it fell on deaf ears.
Shinobi - what a joke. The question is, why are YOU NOT USING SHINOBI its FREE????????? A: you are full of shit.
You are confused, why would you not update blue iris - the advice is to WAIT before updating.
Go use another vms and post about it. We will create a new subforum for it. Until then stop rambling and claiming you will leave blue iris, the developer DOES NOT READ THIS FORUM and does not care about you. Did you bother email support and asking?

 

[bp2008]

@fenderman I don't think his statement implies you are affiliated with BI, only that he thinks you are too defensive of BI. And that is only his opinion.

 

[fenderman]

@fenderman I don't think his statement implies you are affiliated with BI, only that he thinks you are too defensive of BI. And that is only his opinion.

I am certain that was his implication.

 

[IAmATeaf]

I agree with bp2008, he wasn’t implying anything, just that you do get over defensive.

It is his opinion based upon his personal experiences and requirements and everybody is different, that’s is what makes us human else we’d still be sitting in a cave hitting women over their heads and eating our own shit

It would have suited me fine to have BI run in a VM as I also have an appliance to do that so I can understand the view point but I followed the general advice here go with a dedicated box but not everybody is the same.

 

[m_listed]

Lots of dinosaurs here including fenderman (taking everything personally and kind of OCD about the whole thing) who won’t change their ways despite how the winds are blowing. Self-hosted containerized applications are the new thing. BI is currently the tool of choice for self-hosters, but its reliance on Windows makes it difficult to integrate into one’s architecture. New docker-friendly solutions like Shinobi are on the up-and-up, hopefully BI catches up relatively soon.

 

[aristobrat]

New docker-friendly solutions like Shinobi are on the up-and-up

To me, Shinobi's not the best example for this.

TheOfficial Shinobi Documentation(below) doesn't mince words on what they think about Docker and VM.



It looks like Shinobi "Docker support" came from a someone in the community forking the open-source Shinobi package and doing the work themselves to make it run well in Docker. IMO, that says more about Shiobi's licensing model than anything else.