Carelessness cost me...I got hit...

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  1. mat200

    mat200 Known around here

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    Ouch, that hurts - sorry to see you have to deal with this.

    Curious if there is something you feel you would do differently now with regards to your security camera setup.

    Right now I feel that a minimum of 2 cameras to cover parked cars in the driveway is what to plan for.
     
  2. handinpalm

    handinpalm Getting the hang of it

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    Roger that, best to have 2 cams at least 90 degrees from each other. I have my mission critical areas covered with 2 cams at 90 degrees from each FOV and one at 180 degrees to watch what happens if someone walks off with something. Not that anyone would do that.
     
  3. suddenstop

    suddenstop Getting the hang of it

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    These idiots are everywhere and they don't care. From what I can tell they have very low risk and even if caught they do not face much in terms of repercussions. That's why they only go after unlocked cars etc.

    Our society has grown too soft where we rely on police and the system, and penalize those that don't. Let a dog chase them down and given them a lesson they will remember -- probably get sued and the dog put down. Shoot them up with a 12 gauge loaded with rock salt - end up in jail and a lawsuit. Maybe have better luck in some states but I would not risk my freedom over a nobody.

    At the same time I can't comprehend letting anyone steal my stuff and not intervene. I think I would go out with a gun, try to hold at gunpoint. If the perp runs - let him go.

    Sorry to the OP I know it sucks. These hoodie backpack zombies are everywhere and we are all human and can forget to lock the car one time or another.
     
  4. ChooChooman74

    ChooChooman74 Getting the hang of it

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    I have already added another camera, pointing camera left towards the house. This would have gotten more of him coming and going. The camera covering the left side is set back, and is a great choke point camera, but it does miss some of the driveway. I may add another camera to fully cover all the parked cars.

    Here is the new camera that I have added so far.
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  5. Parley

    Parley Pulling my weight

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    I have 3 cameras covering the parked cars in my driveway. I also have 3 parked cars.
     
  6. jcc

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    Well said, looney, surveillance tech alone couldn't have prevented this theft. How about an alarm camera, or anything different that could have been done to make us believe we're not spending all this money on a false sense of security?
     
  7. fenderman

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    Cameras are not there to provide security....but if you mix good PIR sensors or setup reliable motion detection with and audible message it is very effective.... for the home interior a proper alarm is a must...
     
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    handinpalm Getting the hang of it

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    I have a interior cam setup to push triggered alert MMS message to my phone through Blur Iris. The motion detection is set for extremely low false alarms, if any. It took awhile to set thresholds right. I agree PIR sensor would be best. My phone is set to produce a loud "Chemical Alarm wave file" from the BI push, so it is very noticeable. There is about 15 sec latency to get a phone alarm from trigger, and I can see a pic of what happened. In Florida, if you have monitored alarm system, the monitoring company is now required to call the owner 2X before they call the police. Do not know how long they wait between calls. This is to reduce police runs from false alarms. I figure I can call 911 faster and tell them exactly what is going on from live video. I also have a complete home alarm system for immediate audio alarm inside and outside house.
     
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  9. sumguy

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    I'm still waiting for someone to make a commercial cell-phone IMEI catcher or sniffer that logs the presence and IMEI number of near-by cell phones. Take that to the cops when you get a break-in caught on camera and they'll be able to track down and prosecute the suspect. Because everyone, including midnight punks, carry cell phones. It's time we had the ability to leverage this for suspect identification.
     
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    58chev Getting the hang of it

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    Hit the alarm button on your fob, better than doing nothing at all if the cops don't.
     
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  11. ChooChooman74

    ChooChooman74 Getting the hang of it

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    I am going to experiment with some type of PIRs and Audio speaker.
     
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    PIR with a couple of sprinklers. This way even if its a false alarm like a cat or dog walker, youstill get a nice green lawn. You can use an electric sprinkler solenoid as your alarm output. Wire it to a relay/timer.
     
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    Look into {PIR + Microwave}
    They have very few false alarms. And the dual technology is better than just Passive Infra Red.
    I use the Bosch OD850f1, and am pleased.
    Intruder Test: External Space Detection - Benchmark

    LOL!
    I had deer chowing down in my garden.
    I took a normal PIR driveway light. I tapped into the power line to the floodlight sockets, and wired it to a regular outdoor junction box, and used an outlet.
    I grabbed a dishwasher solenoid. (or washing machine water solenoid? Doesn't make a difference.)
    I put an AC plug on the solenoid, and plugged into the outlet.
    I plugged a boom box into the same outlet.
    I plugged a cheap clip-on fan into the outlet. On the fan, I attached those mylar streamers used to keep crows from a garden.
    The outlet of the water valve solenoid went through a garden hose to a couple of sprinklers. One had a spinning diverter which was noisy.
    Total cost: maybe $15

    The Deer Trap:
    When the deer visited in the dawn/dusk hours, they'd trip the PIR.
    • The floodlight would come on.
    • The water would start spraying, noisily.
    • The boom box would blare Rock & Roll. (Deer hate R&R, they prefer Classical)
    • The fan would make the multi-colored mylar strips blow like carzy.
    I wish I had my camera system back then! I never witnessed its effectiveness.
    The deer stopped chomping in our garden!
    And wifey had new-found respect for my geekiness, salvaging parts (me: "this solenoid might come in handy someday") and my work to save her garden.

    Fastb
     
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    ChooChooman,
    Deterrence is preferred.
    a) Avoid the crime in the first place, vs
    b) using video footage to solve the crime after the fact (with uninterested LEO).

    I used a deterrence approach to help a Gen'l Contractor.
    If someone was detected on the job site, then immediately.
    • Strobe lights.
    • Sirens (local laws apply)
    • Flood lights.

    I found a device that would issue warnings over a speaker.
    Audio FX Mini Sound Board - WAV/OGG Trigger - 2MB Flash

    It's an inexpensive widget, for hobbyists, frequently used by folks to startle their young Halloween visitors.

    You can record multiple sound clips. They're played by random when the "trigger" input signal is activated.
    ie: trip a sensor, the widget announces your custom message, eg:
    - "You're being recorded",
    - "My neighbor shot the last thief",
    - "the police are on the way",
    - "Boris Karloff is watching"
    - etc.

    Have fun,
    Fastb
     
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  15. ChooChooman74

    ChooChooman74 Getting the hang of it

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    Just want to give everyone a little update. My social media campaign seemed to work. Police are setting up to grab a suspect. I have been in constant contact with the detectives (which they admit, love my Starlights). Here are some pics of the suspect from his Facebook account.

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    This one appears to have the identical hat on.

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    Just look at how he does his lips.

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    Same shoes, although looks like different laces.
     
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  16. jcc

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    A victory for us: cameras do work, after all...
     
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    Awesome, Glad to hear some positive news.

    I've considered a higher mm lens aimed between our cars on top of the regular overall coverage of the parking area just for this reason. :/
     
  18. Walt Dockery

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    Don't know about you but nothing in my car is worth getting shivved over, facing charges over etc.

    Yes it could turn out a "win" but there are many many ways it could go very bad for the homeowner and the risk/reward simply isn't there. Keep your vehicles locked, call the police etc going outside and getting into a physical confrontation over property is stupid.
     
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  19. fenderman

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    yes, lock yourself in your safe room...this is why it keeps happening...
     
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  20. Mike

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    Simple, don't run after them empty handed. Protect yourself, your family and your belongings.
     
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  21. RobertM

    RobertM Getting the hang of it

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    Homeowner's sensibilities are varied. Some homeowners would run out their door in an effort to engage a suspect, while others would keep safely tucked behind a locked door and call for someone else to do the dirty work. Depends on the situation, and the mood of the homeowner at that moment.
     
  22. Walt Dockery

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    Nah, it keeps happening mainly because people don't lock their vehicles and don't have the vigilance of the OP including recording video and continuing to follow up. Stay inside, call the police, and recognize the obvious legal/ethical/safety related differences between defense of self and defense of property. I'm extremely pro gun / pro self defense / pro individual responsibility wrt this stuff, but going outside to confront a thief who poses no imminent threat to people is stupid and advocated only by those who don't understand violence, crime, or the criminal justice system.
     
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  23. fenderman

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    You are misinformed about the law...no state requires that you wait inside as your property is stolen, every state allows you to confront the thief.....to even suggest that there is a legal or ethical problem with confronting a thief is idiotic.
    ....all you need to do is open the door and yell and he will go running...
     
  24. Walt Dockery

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    You don't get to claim you were protecting yourself after you've run after someone, it doesn't work like that.
     
  25. Walt Dockery

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    No, it doesn't require you to stay inside, but if you go outside and he doesn't "go running" you've very likely just escalated the situation way beyond what anything left outside in your vehicle is worth. You have no way of knowing who will run, who is armed, who will put up a fight etc., he very well might "go running" but might not and to assume as much is naive.

    Why don't you ask George Zimmerman how good his "win" felt for him - what he did was 100% allowed under FL law, he won his day in court yet still had his life ruined while racking up a seven figure legal bill. How much is the stuff you keep in your vehicle worth exactly?
     
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    Not what I meant....I mean if someone is going through my car, I confront them and they start running, how do I know they haven't taken something from my car? I'm going to protect my belongings by making sure i get whatever was taken back.

    It's personal opinion and preference. If you want to stay inside while someone is trying to steal from you, that's your choice. It's not mine though.
     
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    So you run after him and say you catch him, what are you prepared to do if HE then chooses to defend himself? Recognize if you use force at this point, you're going to have a very steep and very expensive uphill battle arguing self defense after you have chased the guy. Plus the obvious risk to yourself of injury or death.

    What from the pictures in the OP makes you assume the thief is unarmed? What makes you assume he isn't more acquainted with violence than you are? Or have you not made those assumptions and would choose to go outside anyway?


    Sure, all of our actions are personal choice. Some choices are good and some are bad. What makes people chase after thieves in these situations is a combination of naivety and ego, any rational consideration of the situation would conclude the risk/reward simply isn't there.
     
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    George was not in front of his house while someone was rummaging through his car - get your facts straight, ....and there was no video of the event....but yes, go into your safe room...
     
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    It makes no difference if he was in front of his house or not - the law did not require him to remain in his vehicle. The law also justified his ultimate use of force.

    The law can justify each and every thing you do up until the point violence unfolds - your life is going to suck for a good period of time from that point forward, even if you make it out unharmed and are found to be justified. It simply isn't worth it for "stuff" (and stuff that is likely covered under my comprehensive policy).


    You mean the video showing you going after a thief who poses no imminent threat to people? You think that video will help you?
     
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