Doorbird Camera - horribble quality

fenderman said:
That is a factual impossibility. But whatever makes you feel better. Wifi will eventually drop, and at the worst time. Wi-Fi cameras are to be used possibly only indoors to monitor pets and kids.. not as surveillance cameras...
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I have factual proof of the contrary... It isn't because it makes me feel better. I actually believed the same thing you do until I had a ton of problems with Amcrest POE cameras dropping due to some odd multicast signal which I ended up having to reboot constantly and somehow the identical ones bridge through wifi were immune to it. It all comes down to what your problem is. Wired will always have the potential of being more reliable, I agree, but saying with absolutism that wifi will fail for sure is a stretch... For me it has been a wash, if not for this one network problem I had with my network, wifi actually appeared more reliable than POE until recently.
 
rafale said:
I have factual proof of the contrary... It isn't because it makes me feel better. I actually believed the same thing you do until I had a ton of problems with Amcrest POE cameras dropping due to some odd multicast signal which I ended up having to reboot constantly and somehow the identical ones bridge through wifi were immune to it. It all comes down to what your problem is. Wired will always have the potential of being more reliable, I agree, but saying with absolutism that wifi will fail for sure is a stretch... For me it has been a wash, if not for this one network problem I had with my network, wifi actually appeared more reliable than POE until recently.
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No you dont, you have not run a constant ping to the cameras. Wifi, is simply not reliable and should never be used for anything critical. Its a toy for those who refuse to do some work or pay a few dollars for a pro to run cable in wall. Its great for those indoor cams that are not important.
There is no way that wifi is MORE reliable than hardwire, that is simply a lie. The fact that you misconfigured your cameras/network is of no significance.
 
No you are right. There is no way that wifi will be more reliable than hardwire. But it can be just as reliable. I However am doing better than a constant ping. I am recording 24x7 on my NAS for 3 years with a notification whenever a camera gets disconnected either by dropped frames which are much more demanding than a ping. 100% of my failures are from POE cameras which have very long cable (cat7) runs even now than my setup issues are resolved and are very rare.
The wired hardware are limited to 100mbps while wifi real bandwidth varies greatly and can be unstable, it can be setup to be much higher (700-800mbps) than hardwire so that in case of instability it is still far enough to cary the 10-30mbps stream. That's why I mentioned 5GHz. I don't know what wifi you used to be this absolutely certain that it will fail but I can tell you, wifi can be setup to be stable enough. I am currently recording my wifi doorbell RTSP stream 24x7 as well with 0 dropped frames for the past 3 days. I have had a couple of drops out of my 10 hardwire cameras in my log during this same time span. I had catastrophic connectivity with constant drops when I was on 2.4GHz which was prone to interferences and had limited bandwidth. I used an RF spectrum scanner to find out how much the wifi RF band was saturated by the video stream and it was a disaster which is what prompted me to move them all to 5GHz.

If you have one of these gen2 apple TVs you may notice in their case that wifi streaming is higher resolution and more stable than hardwire. It is all dependent on the setup: the ethernet on these devices only support 100mbps while wifi was on 5GHz 802.11ac running at >250mbps actual net bandwidth (433mbps*60%). I will always prefer hardwire over wifi but saying wifi will fail for certain... is just not true, at least not anymore. It all depends on how you set it up and the environment you are in.
 
rafale said:
No you are right. There is no way that wifi will be more reliable than hardwire. But it can be just as reliable. I However am doing better than a constant ping. I am recording 24x7 on my NAS for 3 years with a notification whenever a camera gets disconnected either by dropped frames which are much more demanding than a ping. 100% of my failures are from POE cameras which have very long cable (cat7) runs even now than my setup issues are resolved and are very rare.
The wired hardware are limited to 100mbps while wifi real bandwidth varies greatly and can be unstable, it can be setup to be much higher (700-800mbps) than hardwire so that in case of instability it is still far enough to cary the 10-30mbps stream. That's why I mentioned 5GHz. I don't know what wifi you used to be this absolutely certain that it will fail but I can tell you, wifi can be setup to be stable enough. I am currently recording my wifi doorbell RTSP stream 24x7 as well with 0 dropped frames for the past 3 days. I have had a couple of drops out of my 10 hardwire cameras in my log during this same time span. I had catastrophic connectivity with constant drops when I was on 2.4GHz which was prone to interferences and had limited bandwidth. I used an RF spectrum scanner to find out how much the wifi RF band was saturated by the video stream and it was a disaster which is what prompted me to move them all to 5GHz.

If you have one of these gen2 apple TVs you may notice in their case that wifi streaming is higher resolution and more stable than hardwire. It is all dependent on the setup: the ethernet on these devices only support 100mbps while wifi was on 5GHz 802.11ac running at >250mbps actual net bandwidth (433mbps*60%). I will always prefer hardwire over wifi but saying wifi will fail for certain... is just not true, at least not anymore. It all depends on how you set it up and the environment you are in.
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Wifi can NEVER be just as reliable as hardwired. You are a novice and simply dont get it. That is obvious from your use of amcrest wifi cameras. I dont believe for one second that you NEVER dropped a frame in 3 years. That is IMPOSSIBLE. Your system is not properly notifying you.
You also dont seem to understand basic concepts of switch and wifi. While they camera itself is 100, a gigabit switch can handle a gigabit load.
IF you are having issues with wired connections its because you are using cheap cable, improper crimping, poor hardware or a combo of the above. While 5ghz can suffer less interference, it is simply not good enough for an always streaming device like a camera.
Wifi is proven unstable and should never be used for critical surveillance.
I dont have nor will i ever have anything made by apple.
Its cute how much trouble folks go through to get barely usable wifi with multiple access points, simply because they dont have the skill to run cable and refuse to pay someone to run it despite it being cheaper in the long run than wifi.
 
The question is @fenderman - is a doorbell a critical surveilance system when you have 6 POE cameras covering the whole yard? I totally agree POE and wired all the way, and I try to keep video off WIFI cause of the load it brings into the wifi environment. In general I agree with Fenderman, keep high load, high IO units off WIFI as it will degrade the total performance even if it keep it stable enough.
 
No news on the 1080 Doorbird. Got this this from them :


"There are no exact date in the moment because the product is still in development."
 
alekslyse said:
The question is @fenderman - is a doorbell a critical surveilance system when you have 6 POE cameras covering the whole yard? I totally agree POE and wired all the way, and I try to keep video off WIFI cause of the load it brings into the wifi environment. In general I agree with Fenderman, keep high load, high IO units off WIFI as it will degrade the total performance even if it keep it stable enough.
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not if you dont care about missing doorbell rings. Your best bet would be to go back to ring.
 
FYI: 1080 doorbird is due this year. When is anyone's guess and they won't say. But they did mention they are looking forward to launching it this year.

Looking at this or Ring Elite myself.
 
I have a Nest Hello and have had no trouble with it. I am a former Ring user and I had tons of problems with latency and issues with functionality. Admittedly I was using the first gen Ring 720p doorbell.
 
pmcross said:
I have a Nest Hello and have had no trouble with it. I am a former Ring user and I had tons of problems with latency and issues with functionality. Admittedly I was using the first gen Ring 720p doorbell.
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Was the old one a 720p wifi ?I had my Hik cubes on wifi - what waste of time. Hardwired them to a POE switch- no issues.
 
pmcross said:
I have a Nest Hello and have had no trouble with it. I am a former Ring user and I had tons of problems with latency and issues with functionality. Admittedly I was using the first gen Ring 720p doorbell.
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Do you have it integrated in BI and how will you handle the API shutdown?

I never had any large issues with Ring and wifi, but I have a strong infrastructure. Right now I got refunded the Doorbird and got a Ring Pro for free, so will go back to a POE doorbell when I find one that integrates properly and have a resolution that is useable for something. The BI integration is not THAT important as I have 6 cameras in the front yard
 
skjom said:
Was the old one a 720p wifi ?I had my Hik cubes on wifi - what waste of time. Hardwired them to a POE switch- no issues.
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Yes it was on WiFi, but my Nest Hello is as well. I believe that the issue was related to it not supporting the 5 Ghz band as the Nest Hello is utilizing the 5 Ghz band with no issues at all.
 
alekslyse said:
Do you have it integrated in BI and how will you handle the API shutdown?

I never had any large issues with Ring and wifi, but I have a strong infrastructure. Right now I got refunded the Doorbird and got a Ring Pro for free, so will go back to a POE doorbell when I find one that integrates properly and have a resolution that is useable for something. The BI integration is not THAT important as I have 6 cameras in the front yard
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I do have it, as well as two Nest Outdoor Cams, integrated with BI. I wasn't aware that the API shutdown affected BI since BI just connects to the public RTMPS URL to grab the feed.

I have a strong wireless infrastructure as well with a Ubiquiti AP. I would much rather go the POE route, but when I purchased the Nest Hello there weren't' many (good quality) doorbells on the market.
 
pmcross said:
I do have it, as well as two Nest Outdoor Cams, integrated with BI. I wasn't aware that the API shutdown affected BI since BI just connects to the public RTMPS URL to grab the feed.

I have a strong wireless infrastructure as well with a Ubiquiti AP. I would much rather go the POE route, but when I purchased the Nest Hello there weren't' many (good quality) doorbells on the market.
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Lets hope they wont shut down everything. Dlink did that, they removed the streams too on the camera they got agreement with google with (8300H). I will be looking for a POE, but ring at least got an API and running it though Home Assistant - this far no issues with the wifi. Having a 10gbit infrastructure with 4 Unify AP pro with 100% signal on all devices.
 
alekslyse said:
Do you have it integrated in BI and how will you handle the API shutdown?

I never had any large issues with Ring and wifi, but I have a strong infrastructure. Right now I got refunded the Doorbird and got a Ring Pro for free, so will go back to a POE doorbell when I find one that integrates properly and have a resolution that is useable for something. The BI integration is not THAT important as I have 6 cameras in the front yard
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Was it just the quality was issue with doorbird?. I was chatting to another user who has it heavily integrated with home assistant and loves it.

I'm thinking of waiting for the new 1080 PoE version to hit market.

The reviews for ring Elite on Amazon are pretty scathing where complaints of lag when button is pressed to notifications.
 
skjom said:
Was it just the quality was issue with doorbird?. I was chatting to another user who has it heavily integrated with home assistant and loves it.

I'm thinking of waiting for the new 1080 PoE version to hit market.

The reviews for ring Elite on Amazon are pretty scathing where complaints of lag when button is pressed to notifications.
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The only two issues I had with it was the size (its HUGE) and the quality. If doorbird released a version with 1080, ring/nest size and the other versions I would buy it. For me its no lag between the button press and ding. At least with alexa that does the doorbell announcement, plus a chime as backup
 
alekslyse said:
The only two issues I had with it was the size (its HUGE) and the quality. If doorbird released a version with 1080, ring/nest size and the other versions I would buy it. For me its no lag between the button press and ding. At least with alexa that does the doorbell announcement, plus a chime as backup
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Ya I'll keep an eye on doorbird I think for their product launch. Guessing it would be later in the year.

Complaints I see on ring are by the time the chime kicks in the user has turned their back , perhaps it was older firmware. Difficult to tell if bad reviews were on older firmware and those issues were resolved but there are a number on Amazon like that
 
skjom said:
Ya I'll keep an eye on doorbird I think for their product launch. Guessing it would be later in the year.

Complaints I see on ring are by the time the chime kicks in the user has turned their back , perhaps it was older firmware. Difficult to tell if bad reviews were on older firmware and those issues were resolved but there are a number on Amazon like that
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Well ring does have a POE version, but the only reason why I dont directly suggest Ring is its no 3rd party integration of live video (though its not impossible it exist a live video url somewhere - tell me if someone know).

I had ring for about one year and for me I think the longest response time I experienced is 0.5-1second (not long enough to measure).
 
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