Ford Dealership Video

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We recently took over the monitoring for this dealership. The original camera system was a VisualInt system, which was insanely expensive, that was monitored by another monitoring company that was similar to a burglar alarm monitoring service. We reviewed the software that they were using to monitor this system and determined that it was junk. The reason that the customer was shopping around for another monitoring company was because the current one was not catching anything and they were being charged by the alert that the monitoring center received. They had a camera in the shop that was facing the alignment rack and everytime a light would blink, the camera would pick it up and send an alert to the monitoring center. We spent weeks trying to work with this VisualInt system, which is a sister company under SnapAV, but we determined that the recorders and software were just terrible. We installed a Dahua NVR and several 2MP turrets on the property near the choke points so we could take advantage of the analytics. We ended up catching this guy a few nights ago as he walked around and went through customer cars. The PTZs are VisualInt, which we haven't really figured out the manufacturer yet. At some point, we will swap out all of the cameras there for Dahua cameras.

 

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Wow...only 6 minutes for the first cop to arrive. And eventually it looks like there's at least 9 of 'em plus a k9.....good job!
Thanks as usual, man.

(I can't stand thieves! :mad: )
 

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Yeah, they responded pretty quick and the K-9 went right to the guy.
Ok, I'm DEFINITELY not on this guys side. I want to ask though, was he breaking a law? Maybe the dealership has signs up that you can't be browsing cars (just looking at them, not rummaging though them!) when the dealership is not open. For example, if this was at 2pm on a Sunday (just for ex, saying the dealership is closed on sunday), would this be an issue? Yes of course it's sketchy to be "browsing at 3am" but I'm just trying to look at this from a legal standpoint. Trying to get an idea of how the dealership is positioned to lock up this trash.
 

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Ok, I'm DEFINITELY not on this guys side. I want to ask though, was he breaking a law? Maybe the dealership has signs up that you can't be browsing cars (just looking at them, not rummaging though them!) when the dealership is not open. For example, if this was at 2pm on a Sunday (just for ex, saying the dealership is closed on sunday), would this be an issue? Yes of course it's sketchy to be "browsing at 3am" but I'm just trying to look at this from a legal standpoint. Trying to get an idea of how the dealership is positioned to lock up this trash.
he climbed trough a locked gate for one.
 

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You are trespassing if you are on the property of any business after they are closed, even if you park in their parking lot, for example a burger king or a shopping center. If you are walking around a car dealership at 2pm on a Sunday, and they are closed, you are trespassing. And if you are just window shopping at a dealership and they are closed, make sure you don't have any weed on you or any warrants. If we are monitoring the property we keep an eye on everyone. People do shit when they think no one is watching.
 

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This guy need a smoke to keep calm, how they find me, he may asked himself serveal times. New tech really can help preventing criminals. A nice video and a great project.
Thanks Andy. Technology has definitely made our jobs more effective. When we started years ago, we were just depending on what our eyes could see.
 

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You are trespassing if you are on the property of any business after they are closed, even if you park in their parking lot, for example a burger king or a shopping center. If you are walking around a car dealership at 2pm on a Sunday, and they are closed, you are trespassing. And if you are just window shopping at a dealership and they are closed, make sure you don't have any weed on you or any warrants. If we are monitoring the property we keep an eye on everyone. People do shit when they think no one is watching.
Good explanation. I've wondered about people that do that in the middle of a Sunday. I mean, it's kind of understandable to hear someone say that at 2pm and absurd to think someone would try to use that at 2am! Lol.
 

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Awesome video. So is the rules set up by your video software or the cameras?
 

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You are trespassing if you are on the property of any business after they are closed, even if you park in their parking lot, for example a burger king or a shopping center. If you are walking around a car dealership at 2pm on a Sunday, and they are closed, you are trespassing. And if you are just window shopping at a dealership and they are closed, make sure you don't have any weed on you or any warrants. If we are monitoring the property we keep an eye on everyone. People do shit when they think no one is watching.
I do not buy this statement at all. Any kind of prosecution is going to need to establish some kind of basis of intent that you were trespassing. A blanket statement like this simply is not correct but I did really enjoy the post and the video.
 

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I do not buy this statement at all. Any kind of prosecution is going to need to establish some kind of basis of intent that you were trespassing. A blanket statement like this simply is not correct but I did really enjoy the post and the video.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. What part do you not buy and what part of this is not correct? I'm stating the law, which is a fact, and if anyone is making a blanket statement, it is you. The guy walked into a business at 3am, entered several vehicles, then was confronted by police and was arrested. Now reading your statement you are basically saying that you are an idiot, then taking the criminals' side, then guessing that what I am stating is wrong.

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I certainly am not taking the side of the guy in the video. I think you may have meant to say I was saying you are an idiot which is not the case at all either

What I do disagree with is this broad statement "You are trespassing if you are on the property of any business after they are closed, even if you park in their parking lot, for example a burger king or a shopping center."

For the sake of discussion think of a typical strip mall with a grocery store as the anchor.

The issue with a locations like these is that they have a high degree of accessibility to the public and the access to them is very open and unrestricted basically the welcome mat is generally rolled out as a part of the business. In the case of a shopping center you may have a variety of interests combined that are in effect inviting you onto the premise by common practice. Some of those interests could be highly public such as having a drop off mail box that is in the lot of for say a grocery store. A different but similar thing could be having a soda machine on the sidewalk in front of a business which is also an open invitation to purchase from it.

To make a good fair and reasonable case for trespass you need to change away from that very open invitation type environment to one that makes it clear that you are not welcome to be on this premise at certain times. Some examples of this could signs that communicated it with words like "No trespassing between 10pm and 6am, gates that are closed during the night, having been previously told that you are not welcome on the property etc. It is the totality of the circumstances that makes for a trespass violation not just that a business is closed.

There i a huge difference between being in an open parking lot and inside an area enclosed by a fence. To go along with the video consider a car dealership where someone is looking at a car at 2pm on a Sunday afternoon. The only restrictions to entry and egress to the lot are designed to restrict motor vehicles not pedestrians and it is common practice to allow this kind of behavior is vastly different than someone hopping the 6ft chain link fence to get into the storage area where customer cars are waiting to be service. In one case you have a legitimate trespass charge and in the other you do not.

Hopefully that makes better sense to the point I wanted to make in that the issue is not as simple as the parking lot attached to the business is closed.

Awesome video showing the cool features.
 

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Why it take that many cops to arrest him? I’m glad that there are that many spare but here in the UK I think a) they wouldn’t have even responded and b) if they did then they’d sent a single unit with a single person.
 

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That would more typically be at least two sent in the US. Especially if you take the dog out of the equation and this turned into a runner or even hiding then it will take multiple people to work the problem. Enough to secure a perimeter and enough to do the searching. If the cops are not busy while two or three might have been "sent" the others that are free are typically going to also come by on something like this especially when you know going in that you have someone in the lot prowling cars at a big dealership.
 

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You are trespassing if you are on the property of any business after they are closed, even if you park in their parking lot, for example a burger king or a shopping center. If you are walking around a car dealership at 2pm on a Sunday, and they are closed, you are trespassing. And if you are just window shopping at a dealership and they are closed, make sure you don't have any weed on you or any warrants. If we are monitoring the property we keep an eye on everyone. People do shit when they think no one is watching.
what kind of cameras are those in the video ! wow
 
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