Is Blue Iris that much better than iVMS-4200?

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ingeborgdot

Pulling my weight
May 7, 2017
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I am new to all of this and have learned a lot in a short period of time. There is a ton left to learn, I understand that. I am trying to find the best possible software to go with my cameras but don't want to spend too much on my software either, if I don't have to. When I was in Blue Iris's website I saw a price that said $59 annually. Do you have to pay for BI every year or is that for support or am I dreaming?
Can someone tell me a short reason why BI is the way to go? Thanks.
 
ingeborgdot said:
I am new to all of this and have learned a lot in a short period of time. There is a ton left to learn, I understand that. I am trying to find the best possible software to go with my cameras but don't want to spend too much on my software either, if I don't have to. When I was in Blue Iris's website I saw a price that said $59 annually. Do you have to pay for BI every year or is that for support or am I dreaming?
Can someone tell me a short reason why BI is the way to go? Thanks.
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it is..its not 59 annually, its a one time fee....
 
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Can I have the viewing on one computer and recording on another. I have a computer that runs 24/7 but it is not in my office area. It is my central machine that is used as one of my sources for music for my whole house audio. I have a ton of space and the computer is fast enough to handle the recording of video. I would just prefer to view it in my office if that would be possible? So, I would have the client in the office computer and the recorder in my other computer. Does that make sense?
 
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Can I have the viewing on one computer and recording on another. I have a computer that runs 24/7 but it is not in my office area. It is my central machine that is used as one of my sources for music for my whole house audio. I have a ton of space and the computer is fast enough to handle the recording of video. I would just prefer to view it in my office if that would be possible? So, I would have the client in the office computer and the recorder in my other computer. Does that make sense?
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There is no blue iris client...you can view using the web interface...any vms should be run on a clean system, not a multi use pc...you can also run a cable from the pc to your office for display..
 
Well, that kinda sucks. Is there a reason why it needs to be a clean system? I'm not questioning, just learning. As for multi-use, like I said it only has music on it and CPU useage is at 1% most of the time and never used for anything else.
 
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Well, that kinda sucks. Is there a reason why it needs to be a clean system? I'm not questioning, just learning. As for multi-use, like I said it only has music on it and CPU useage is at 1% most of the time and never used for anything else.
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yes, because you dont want the system going down because of other software...stability is key..how are you serving music from the system? if its just a file server of some sort it should be ok...what are the system specs?
 
CasaTunes just hooks in to my Russound system through RS232. The CPU useage is so minimal that I should use one of those little tiny computers for it but I've got a horse on it that I built a little while ago because I thought I was going to use it for other things. It is more of a file server as you said. In the time it has been up, it has never gone down.
 
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CasaTunes just hooks in to my Russound system through RS232. The CPU useage is so minimal that I should use one of those little tiny computers for it but I've got a horse on it that I built a little while ago because I thought I was going to use it for other things. It is more of a file server as you said. In the time it has been up, it has never gone down.
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what are the system specs...have you confirmed it can run blue iris with your camera load?
 
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AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb Quad-Core 3.4 GHz CPU, SSD Main drive, WD Black for storage drives that would only be used for the recorded video.
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that system is relatively weak equivalent to a modern i3 and does not support intel hd...also its a huge power hog...will likely cost you more to run it than replace it...
How many cams and what resolution?
 
So, what would you recommend? I have 1 cam right now but will be getting up to 4 soon and should up it to 6 or more within the next couple of months. I am running 1920x1080 right now. I am using Hikvision 2342 right now and hope to get several more of those but most should be of that quality.
Oh, I also have the Radeon 6800 video card running.
 
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So, what would you recommend? I have 1 cam right now but will be getting up to 4 soon and should up it to 6 or more within the next couple of months. I am running 1920x1080 right now. I am using Hikvision 2342 right now and hope to get several more of those but most should be of that quality.
Oh, I also have the Radeon 6800 video card running.
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search the forum for optiplex or elitedesk..you want intel i5 second generation or higher...100-300 dollars...300 will get you a modern i5-6500 system...
you will be able to run your cams on your current system but you are wasting money...put a killawatt meter on it.
 
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What if I went i7 or xeon E3 which is made more for running 24/7 than i7 and even cheaper.
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xeon has nothing to do with running 24/7....
you dont need an i7 for your load...
you also need a processor that has intel hd with quicksync...compare apples to apples..the xeon you are likely looking at is weaker than a modern i5-6500..
 
For specific processor recommendations, check out the Wiki that the admins are putting together:
Choosing Hardware for Blue Iris | IP Cam Talk

Two blurbs to read -- the part about how important it is that the process has Intel Quick Sync built-in (this how an i5 can out perform a Xeon), and how dedicated video cards don't usually add any value.

My personal reasons for switching from a Dahua NVR to BI:

  • BI gets regular updates, and the developer is accessible. My Dahua NVR has big bugs I doubt will ever get fixed. Ever...
  • BI (through the $9.99 smartphone app) is easily 10x more responsive when I view video over LTE compared to the Hik and Dahua iOS clients.
  • BI motion detection is so much more configurable than the motion detection built into cameras. ****
  • Sooooooooo much community support for BI here.
  • If you watch the BI forums over time, you'll see cool stuff people use BI for and you can "borrow" their ideas.
  • BI just flat out has more options and possibilities to do things. When my driveway camera senses motion, it sends my iOS devices a notification, and then it makes a web call to my home automation portal which makes the alarm system speak "DRIVEWAY" inside the house. Stuff like that.
  • Supports profiles. Normally I want it to alert me if someone's in my yard. But I don't an hour of alerts every time I mow the lawn. So I have a "silent" profile I can switch it to temporarily so I don't get 1000 alerts.
**** I will say that although I'm still learning, I haven't been able to get BI's motion detection yet to match the accuracy I got from the IVS features on my Hik Starlights. It's pretty close though, and I still have things to try. I think this is more a shout-out to how great Dahua's IVS more than anything.
 
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Intel Core i5-6500 Intel Xeon E3-1245 v5
3.20 GHz Frequency 3.50 GHz
3.60 GHz Turbo (1 Core) 3.90 GHz
3.40 GHz Turbo (All Cores) 3.70 GHz
4 Cores 4
No Hyperthreading Yes
No Overclocking ? No
6 MB Cache 8 MB

Intel HD Graphics 530 GPU Intel HD Graphics P530
0.35 GHz GPU frequency 0.35 GHz
1.15 GHz GPU (Turbo) 0.35 GHz
9 GPU Generation 9
12.0 DirectX Version 12.0
3 Max. displays 3
24 Execution units 24


Actually the Xeon is more powerful and robust than the i5 is for about the same money. I really don't know why people don't use it more unless they are planning on overclocking.
Intel Xeon processor E3-1200 family supports 4 cores and also supports the fastest available frequency (3.5 GHz Intel Xeon processor E3-1280), Intel Turbo Boost Technology, and Intel HT Technology.
It is similar to the Intel Core i7 processor, but supports accelerated graphics performance for professional applications, called Intel® HD Graphics P3000§ (available with specific SKUs), as well as
ECC memory.
 
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