Louis Rossmann : Elderly NYC store clerk ARRESTED for defending himself against abusive criminal - fk NYC

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Elderly NYC store clerk ARRESTED for defending himself against abusive criminal - fk NYC
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I'd love to see the CCTV footage Rossman mentioned, not that it would change my opinion, just curious. These hokey-wokey blue cities with their Dem mayors and their Dem butt-kissing, photo posing DA's and ADA's need to be sent packing, looking for REAL work like the rest of us poor bastids.... :mad:
 

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I'd love to see the CCTV footage Rossman mentioned, not that it would change my opinion, just curious. These hokey-wokey blue cities with their Dem mayors and their Dem butt-kissing, photo posing DA's and ADA's need to be sent packing, looking for REAL work like the rest of us poor bastids.... :mad:
 

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Here is the clerk's counter ..

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Tubby is out of his fucking mind. There is no better example of proper self defense. His channel is worthless based on this BS analysis. He doesnt think this doesnt looks like he his highly likely to be killed? Is he fucking insane? He needs to shut his channel down.
 

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Tubby is out of his fucking mind. There is no better example of proper self defense. His channel is worthless based on this BS analysis. He doesnt think this doesnt looks like he his highly likely to be killed? Is he fucking insane? He needs to shut his channel down.
The important thing to remember is that self defence is not about what the third party thinks would have happened but what the person using force in self defence genuinely believed in that moment. The belief doesn't even have to be reasonable.

Of course even when the belief is genuinely held the force used must be an objectively reasonable response. I can't say what was in his mind but given the physical disparity between the accused and the deceased I wouldnt call it unreasonable from here.
 

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It’s a Soros-backed DA who is going after the bodega clerk sending a message that criminals are the victims. :puke:
Did you expect anything else from a system that normalises corruption? Prosecutor's decisions should be based on law, ethics, and morals, in that order. When you have a system where the people making those decisions are dependent on the people who vote for them, and the people that fund their re-election campaign, decisions get made based on political and financial considerations. The system becomes irreparably corrupted.
 

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I'm going to need to correct what I posted earlier. I just read the NY state legislation and the test is double objective rather than subjective / objective like most of the common law world.
 

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John C's an idiot...I don't think I'm sticking my neck out too far when I say he's never been in that kind of position and therefore has no qualified opinion, IMO.
He suggested the clerk be more diplomatic regarding their lack of funds and should not have grabbed the bag of chips out of her hands...he has NO idea what was said. He also suggested pepper spray, etc. Oh, yeah...this man jumps behind your counter, pushes you back against the counter, still saying only God knows what, lays hands on you and he won't be REALLY pissed until you hit and miss with the pepper spray? Would THAT have been more to your preference, John C.?

Shut up, John.....you're clueless. :drool::confused:
 
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John C's an idiot...I don't think I'm sticking my neck out too far when I say he's never been in that kind of position and therefore has no qualified opinion, IMO.
He suggested the clerk be more diplomatic regarding their lack of funds and should not have grabbed the bag of chips out of her hands...he has NO idea what was said. He also suggested pepper spray, etc. Oh, yeah...this man jumps behind your counter, pushes you back against the counter, still saying only God know, lays hands on you and he won't be REALLY pissed until you hit and miss with the pepper spray? Would THAT have been more to your preference, John C.?

Shut up, John.....you're clueless. :drool::confused:
I'm going to have to watch the video later to understand the context he said these things in. In the context of a Police Officer or other trained and prepared person it isn't bad advice but each case of self defence is unique and gets taken on its merits. That the shopkeeper used what appears to be a weapon of opportunity suggests that he hadn't given too much thought to what he was going to do in a self defence situation and his actions should be judged in that context.
 
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