Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

Why would any intelligent being bet 100% of their money on an unknown at the time experiment for a vaccine? Smart to spread it around when you have e at least 3-4 top candidates working on the same thing.

Particularly when the NIH was in partnership with Moderna

Nothing curious at all

Typical nice feeble attempt to blame Trump for nothing though ...
 
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Yes, as with any industry, there is risk involved with prototyping any product. Just as with any drug they have come up with in the past, they pay the costs up front for development, and recoup those costs plus a few billion on the backend when it gets sold. There is nothing heroic here. No abnormal risks were involved. They did their jobs, only this time they had a guaranteed, very lucrative payday. Any of us would love such a guaranteed opportunity.

It's the frontline healthcare workers and first responders who are the heroes. They are the ones who put themselves out there against the unknown virus everyday.
 
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Jessie.slimer said:
Yes, as with any industry, there is risk involved with prototyping any product. Just as with any drug they have come up with in the past, they pay the costs up front for development, and recoup those costs plus a few billion on the backend when it gets sold. There is nothing heroic here. No abnormal risks were involved. They did their jobs, only this time they had a guaranteed, very lucrative payday. Any of us would love such a guaranteed opportunity.

It's the frontline healthcare workers and first responders who are the heroes. They are the ones who put themselves out there against the unknown virus everyday.
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Well said!

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What's messed up is the dragging of feet through the final stages. Why was there so much time after trials before they could meet to agree on the roll out? They scheduled meetings weeks out instead of just doing them. Why? Did they have something more important to do? Why not meet right then, even if it was 3am, to get this out there? The delaying of meetings invites suspicious that they wanted to delay the widespread vaccination to a later date- say, I don't know, maybe Jan 20? :idk:

Very fishy.
 
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Jessie.slimer said:
What's messed up is the dragging of feet through the final stages. Why was there so much time after trials before they could meet to agree on the roll out? They scheduled meetings weeks out instead of just doing them. Why? Did they have something more important to do? Why not meet right then, even if it was 3am, to get this out there? The delaying of meetings invites suspicious that they wanted to delay the widespread vaccination to a later date- say, I don't know, maybe Jan 20? :idk:

Very fishy.
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Not fishy at all. Once the safety data package was provided by Pfizer it was first priority for those who had to dig into the analytics and confirm safety and efficacy.

This is done by analysts you don't usually hear about. They summarize the relevant parts and draw conclusions that get passed up the chain to the people who voted last week; those folks had to review all the data themselves too. Then the CDC had to sign off, and they did that with alacrity befitting the situation.

This EUA happened extremely fast, but at no stage was quality of process impacted. We can have faith in the vaccine because a very trusted process was followed.

What doesn't help is when a president suggest people should sign the papers or get fired/resign. If anyone at any stage felt uncomfortable with the situation, they should feel free to speak out and have people take a look at the problem.

When managers override engineers/scientists, you get situations like the unnecessary losses of shuttles Challenger and Columbia.



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What doesn't help is when a president suggest people should sign the papers or get fired/resign. If anyone at any stage felt uncomfortable with the situation, they should feel free to speak out and have people take a look at the problem.
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Debunked lie
 
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For things that make you go, "Hmmmm...", how about this one? "student-athletes are permitted to wrestle, but must refrain from handshakes before and after the match." "Wrestlers are also required to wear facial coverings off the mat "

www.wlwt.com

OHSAA coronavirus rules: Students can wrestle, but can't shake hands

As winter sports begin across Ohio, officials with the Ohio High School Athletic Association have released requirements for players and coaches amid the coronavirus pandemic.
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HHS's Alex Azar Calls Out 'Partisan Sniping' in Vax Distribution

Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar on Sunday lamented “partisan sniping” that has been sparked by the distribution of a Pfizer-developed vaccine for the coronavirus.

In an interview on CBS News’ “Face The Nation,” Azar said the nation “ought to be celebrating” the breakthrough that could eventually bring the pandemic to an end.

“There is a lot of partisan sniping going on,” he said, adding “We have millions and millions of doses of an effective vaccine going out. We've worked on all 64 health jurisdictions in this country. We have provided feedback back and forth. This is working. It will work. It is under control.

“We're leveraging the private distribution system that works every year for flu vaccines,” he said, noting the Department of Defense as well as private companies CVS and FedEx all vowed last week at a White House summit “this is what we do, let us do our jobs.”

He added that shipment to the nation’s allies will occur after the United States gets vaccinated.

“We're going to ensure the vaccines distributed through the United States. We have 900 million doses under guarantee contract for the United States,” he said. “We have total options for purchase of 3 billion doses.

“What the executive order says is we're going to make those surplus doses, and we're going to make that capacity available to our friends and allies around the world,” he said.
 
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Video: Bill Gates Says Lockdowns Should Carry On Into 2022

Declares 'normal' will not return until there are “high vaccination rates”
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Billionaire vaccine pusher Bill Gates wants local businesses and services to remain closed, with lockdowns, masks and social distancing continuing throughout all of next year and into 2022.
 
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Here is a review of the issue with second-quarter additional doses of the Pfizer vaccine. Note that the discussions happened after the efficacy was already demonstrated, albeit while awaiting safety data.

www.cnbc.com

U.S. could have bought additional Pfizer vaccines in November but passed, says Pfizer board member

"This has been a challenging process because there have been multiple conversations happening as recently as November," Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC.
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It's notable the "pass" on these doses was after Trump lost the election. Almost like he wanted to cause a disruption after Biden takes office.

We will see how it plays out. Here is part of the article:

"There were multiple conversations with the U.S. government about taking more supply in the second quarter. The company wasn't taken up on that offer, as recently as November," Gottlieb said on "Squawk Box."

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Gottlieb, the former FDA chief under President Donald Trump, first indicated last week that the U.S. government had declined to exercise the option in its agreement with Pfizer for additional vaccine doses. He told CNBC that Pfizer offered the U.S. doses from its Michigan manufacturing plant for the second quarter of 2021. The company is already sending the U.S. all of its first-quarter supply from that plant, he said."

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Pfizer has since entered into agreements with other countries for its second-quarter allotment of vaccine doses, Gottlieb said Monday. However, he expressed optimism that the company and the U.S. government will be able to strike a deal to acquire more doses.



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Yeah, and if Zeke gets in along with Creepy, Sleepy, Crooked, Basement, Joe Bunco he'll probably nix anyone over 60 getting the vaccine anyway. His attitude is that they've lived long enough so give them two aspirin and tell them to call again in the morning.
 
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“The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passionate intensity” W.B. Yeats

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I had to do some 5 min research on this. Awesome poem and fascinating man.


“The Second Coming” was intended by Yeats to describe the current historical moment (the poem appeared in 1921) in terms of these gyres. Yeats believed that the world was on the threshold of an apocalyptic revelation,
 
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