Too much IR

[Nigel79]

I just caught two guys climbing into my neighbors window on my PTZ a week ago and called 911 and invited the cops in my house to watch the video and I'm sure if there was audio they wouldn't have cared at all. They just wanted to catch them. That being said I do appreciate the concern and the law. I appreciate the advice! I would post the video on here of the guys jumping through the window with the duffel bag but I don't know how to.

 

[SyconsciousAu]

"This call may be recorded for quality assurance".

And they probably go on to say please inform your operator if you do not wish to be recorded. In most places, for consent to be valid, there needs to be an option to refuse that consent. You may have to draft up your signage to specifically

From a practical standpoint, how would someone get my audio recordings? Yes, someone could claim my sign was inadequate, if we reached that point. Yes, the very "act" of recording is what we're discussing here, in terms of legality. Recording, and then using that recorded audio, seems that's where the trouble would appear. I don't mean to sound like a "jail house lawyer" (I'm an engineer, not in the legal industry). I may be bending the law, but I wouldn't turn over the audio to anyone.


Thanks for the thoughtful response, it's appreciated. Tricky subject of audio recording.

Fastb

Ask yourself this question. Why do you install CCTV cameras? There is usually no single answer to that question. One of my big ones for me is I enjoy playing with them but when it all goes wrong what you really want from your CCTV csystem is evidence that will identify and successfully prosecute an offender. A Court will usually throw out any evidence that has been obtained in contravention of a law. That might mean they play the CCTV with the audio as is, they might play it with the volume turned to zero or it might mean they throw out the footage altogether. You can't guarantee which way a Court will go but what you can guarantee is that the defence solicitor will make the application to have the evidence excluded if you give them the slightest opportunity. If you can't use it legally, then why do it at all?

When I'm away from home, and someone bad approached my front door, I'd like audio for my own personal and private use. I may be tilting at windmills, but listening to people who intend to maybe do bad things seems more righteous and noble than protecting the miscreants from being recorded without their consent. After all, they entered my property despite the "no trespassing" signs.

That indeed may be an area of grey but personally I like to stay away from any grey areas. Beyond the question of whether any criminal consequences will result, it pays to be on solid legal ground just in case you get a neighbour who is an arsehole, so they can't cause you any grief with Council/Police/Courts because of your CCTV. You will of course make your own decisions with reference to whatever laws/policies/application of those laws/policies applies locally but personally I like to stay well in the black rather than wander into the grey and potentially have to deal with those consequences.

 

[Dodutils]

I just caught two guys climbing into my neighbors window on my PTZ a week ago

I think your neighbors were glad you could help but are you allowed to record your neighbour's privacy, especially if you record the window and so the activity behind the window ?

This is why you have "privacy mask" features in NVR or cameras to draw black squares on the view to hide some part of recording, I don't know if you already use it or not.

 

[Kawboy12R]

Privacy masks on a ptz are pretty useless. Pan around and they're masking something you don't want masked. I bet he doesn't leave the PTZ parked watching their window. If he was vigilant and noticed them and followed them around with the PTZ then more power to him.

 

[Dodutils]

Privacy masks on a ptz are pretty useless. Pan around and they're masking something you don't want masked. I bet he doesn't leave the PTZ parked watching their window. If he was vigilant and noticed them and followed them around with the PTZ then more power to him.

Good PTZ cameras know were the mask has been set and "move" it according to camera's movement.

 

[Fastb]

SysconciousAu,

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

That might mean they play the CCTV with the audio as is, they might play it with the volume turned to zero or it might mean they throw out the footage altogether.

I wouldn't turn over footage that contained audio. Right now, I don't know how I'd do it, but I'd strip out the audio. Maybe in a movie maker type program, when I rip the footage to a DVD to submit to authorities.

the evidence excluded if you give them the slightest opportunity. If you can't use it legally, then why do it at all?

Fair question. Several answers.
1) if I'm away from home, and see someone kick in the door (and I hear the splintering door or breaking glass), then I call 911 and send the police. No release of audio.But my system serves a purpose.
2) Having my system serves many purposes. The least is to gather video/audio evidence that could be used in a court of law.
3) If LEO wants evidence, I could supply snapshots. Printed or jpg.
4) We've all seen you tube videos of crimes in the process, with some including LEOs. Showing a way to use my system legally (if I don't post audio)

We have a pomeranian. Coyotes live in our area. I've captured footage of them 10ft from my front door, and 3ft from my back door. Sometimes 2 or 3 at a time. A pomeranian would make a nice snack. When the dog is out (daytime only when we're not an "escort"), the remote monitor in the kitchen has the speaker turned on. If the dog barks, we glance at the monitor.

In conclusion, audio boosts the value of my system (for my purposes). The above is an answer to "If you can't use it legally, then why do it at all?". And I guess I'm comfortable with the "grayness".

BTW, my pomeranian has given his consent to be recorded.

Fastb

 

[Nigel79]

Yeah I do what I want to do. I live in a bad area and the cops want as much help as they can get.There was a murder last Friday and two other shootings. There was an infant shot for shit sakes. They hardly bother with the traffic citations because they're busy with other stuff They don't give two shits about privacy laws. They wouldn't tie up our courts with some little crap like that.

 

[Nigel79]

For me:t
- the feel of the keyboard and
- the display image quality are critical.
(once I decide on processor, RAM, HD size, etc)
keyboard and display are hard to evaluate on-line.
So I go to Best Buy to try out some laptop brands.
Some call the "Worst Buy", but I've had good experiences so far.
And returns are easier than on-line.

Fastb

I ended up going with the new MacBook Pro that just came out. I ended up spending 3x as much as I wanted too of course but I don't regret it one bit. Awesome laptop. Unfortunately when I type in the web address of my NVR and it tells me to install the plug-in and I hit yes and I get a 404 error page. Is there someplace I can download the plug-in? Or is there another program for Mac that's going to give me full access and Full capabilities Control of my NVR and PTZ cameras? Also I've been wanting to get directly into the PTZ camera by typing in the iP address to the camera and I get nothing. The camera has a weird IP address of 10.1.1.61 Is that why I can't access it from my LAN? Or because its plugged directly into the NVR? I've tried to change the IP address through the NVR and it won't let me. Sorry it's a lot of questions but I'm really stuck so if some people could help out I would appreciate it!

 

[cybermech]

I ended up going with the new MacBook Pro that just came out. I ended up spending 3x as much as I wanted too of course but I don't regret it one bit. Awesome laptop. Unfortunately when I type in the web address of my NVR and it tells me to install the plug-in and I hit yes and I get a 404 error page. Is there someplace I can download the plug-in? Or is there another program for Mac that's going to give me full access and Full capabilities Control of my NVR and PTZ cameras? Also I've been wanting to get directly into the PTZ camera by typing in the iP address to the camera and I get nothing. The camera has a weird IP address of 10.1.1.61 Is that why I can't access it from my LAN? Or because its plugged directly into the NVR? I've tried to change the IP address through the NVR and it won't let me. Sorry it's a lot of questions but I'm really stuck so if some people could help out I would appreciate it!

Download and install the Dahua Smart PSS software for Mac.

 

[JFire]

@Nigel79 Sounds like a poe NVR? You'll have to change your laptop ethernet controller ip to 10.1.1.xx and plug it into the nvr to access the camera.

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[fenderman]

@Nigel79 Sounds like a poe NVR? You'll have to change your laptop ethernet controller ip to 10.1.1.xx and plug it into the nvr to access the camera.

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Unfortunatley that overpriced macbook does not have an ethernet port..he will have to buy an adapter...

 

[JFire]

@fenderman Silly Steve Jobs.....

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[fenderman]

@fenderman Silly Steve Jobs.....

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Truth be told the ethernet jack has been removed in all modern thin laptops...its just that if you pay an absurd amount of money for it, they should include it in the package

 

[nayr]

at least it has a fucking headphone port lol; the lease is up on my 2014 MacBook Pro and work wants to give me a new shit model, yay a screen on keyboard that sucks up moar battery.. Given I yank out the magsafe connector about 10 times a day I figure the new one will last about 2-3 months before its power connector goes FOOBAR

I wish Jobs was still alive; he'd of bitchslaped the idiot who thought its good idea to ditch magsafe and start deleting headphone ports