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Sybertiger
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Ukraine armed with modern T-90 tanks captured from the Russians
Russian forces have been forced to pull obsolete, Soviet-era tanks from storage to compensate for the losses of modern equipment in battle.
www.businessinsider.com
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Not only drones, my friendPhotos from Mariupol.
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For balance we also have a problem with walking in the UK. Shown below
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Griswalduk
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A couple of today's articles from the BBC posted below.
Unless it is to withdraw the Russian war machine occupying Crimea i don't think there's any point in wasting money on this repair.
Concerns for prisoners welfare prompts calls for Red Cross inspection.
Unless it is to withdraw the Russian war machine occupying Crimea i don't think there's any point in wasting money on this repair.
Crimea bridge: Russia 'to repair blast damage by July 2023'
The Russian government says work on the vital blast-hit bridge must be finished by July 2023.
www.bbc.co.uk
Concerns for prisoners welfare prompts calls for Red Cross inspection.
Ukraine war: Kyiv demands Red Cross visit notorious prison
Kyiv says there must be a mission to the Olenivka prison within three days as "human lives are at stake".
www.bbc.co.uk
Griswalduk
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ISW latest assessment of Russian special military operation aka "operation clusterfuck"
One Russian milblogger complained on October 13 that newly mobilized men are being deployed in a haphazard way that will lead to 10,000 deaths and 40,000 injuries among them by February 2023.[5]
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The Kremlin’s rapid deployment of mobilized servicemen to the Kreminna-Svatove line may also indicate that Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to throw away the lives of mobilized men in a desperate effort to preserve a collapsing frontline.
www.understandingwar.org
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One Russian milblogger complained on October 13 that newly mobilized men are being deployed in a haphazard way that will lead to 10,000 deaths and 40,000 injuries among them by February 2023.[5]
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The Kremlin’s rapid deployment of mobilized servicemen to the Kreminna-Svatove line may also indicate that Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to throw away the lives of mobilized men in a desperate effort to preserve a collapsing frontline.
Institute for the Study of War
Public reports of the first deaths of ill-prepared mobilized Russian troops in Ukraine have sparked renewed criticism of the Russian military command. Russian media reported that five mobilized men from Chelyabinsk have already died in combat in Ukraine
clusterfuck - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
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Sybertiger
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New technique Russians use to train their new mobilization recruits to clear landmines?
Smilingreen
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This is sickening how much of the US tax payers money has been stolen by Ukraine, via the Criminal politicians in DC that has given it to them unopposed. This is just a partial list of what the general public knows about. 100's of billions of dollars. The tax paying citizens in the US didn't take Ukraine on to raise. We have our own problems created by DC that need to be dealt with. Let Ukraine go find another tit to suck on. That's my opinion and I am sticking to it.
90 tons of lethal military equipment on 22 January 2021
$125 million of lethal military equipment on 1 March 2021
$150 million of lethal military equipment on 11 June 2021
$60 million of lethal military equipment on 1 September 2021
$350 million of lethal military equipment, on 25 February 2022
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken assured Ukraine's foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba of unspecified further military aid, on 1 March 2022
$200 million of arms and equipment, including Javelin anti-tank missiles and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, on 12 March 2022
16 March 2022, aid sent by the US included:
600 Stinger systems
About 2,600 Javelin missiles
Five Mil Mi-17 helicopters
Three patrol boats
Four counter-artillery and counter-unmanned aerial system tracking radars
Four counter-mortar radar systems
200 grenade launchers and ammunition
200 shotguns
200 machine guns
Nearly 40 million rounds of small arms ammunition
Over 1 million grenade, mortar and artillery rounds
70 Humvees and other vehicles
Unspecified amounts of secure communications, electronic warfare detection systems, body armor, helmets and other tactical gear, military medical equipment, explosive ordnance disposal and demining equipment
Satellite imagery and analysis capability.
$800 million in military equipment announced on 16 March 2022, funded from the $13.6 billion in aid signed on 15 March. The package includes:
2,000 Javelin anti-tank missiles
1,000 light anti-armor weapons
6,000 AT4 anti-armor systems
800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems
100 Switchblade drones
100 grenade launchers
5,000 rifles
1,000 pistols
400 machine guns
400 shotguns
Over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition, grenade launcher rounds and mortar rounds
25,000 sets of body armor
25,000 helmets
Laser-Guided Rockets
$800 million of lethal military equipment, on 13 April 2022:
18 M777 howitzers calibre 155 mm and 40,000 rounds of artillery ammunition
11 Mi-17 military helicopters
200 armored personnel carriers
'counter-artillery radars'.
$800m military package was announced 21 April completing the drawdown from the $13.6bn military and humanitarian funding envelope approved by Congress 15 March
72 M777 155 mm towed howitzer with 144,000 rounds of ammunition
72 artillery towing vehicles
121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones, a reduced capability alternative to the Switchblade quickly designed for export to Ukraine.
5 May the California National Guard had announced it had donated 4,320 ballistic vests, 1,580 helmets and facilitated the delivery of 7 medical field stations to Ukraine.
6 May another military package was announced worth $150 million:
25,000 155mm artillery shells
Counter artillery radars
Jamming equipment
Spare parts
19 May 2022, the Department of Defense (DoD) announces the authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to an additional $100 million:
18 155mm Howitzers;
18 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
3 AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars; and
Field equipment and spare parts.
1 June 2022 another military package was announced worth $700 million High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
Four M142 HIMARS and ammunition
Five counter-artillery radars
Two air surveillance radars
1,000 Javelin missiles and 50 Command Launch Units
6,000 armor weapons
15,000 155 millimeter artillery rounds,
Four Mi-17 helicopters
15 tactical vehicles
Spare parts and equipment
15 June 2022 the twelfth military package was announced worth $1 billion;
18 155mm M777 howitzer howitzers
18 tactical vehicles for towing howitzers
36,000 155mm artillery shells
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
Four tactical recovery vehicles
Spare parts and other equipment
Two Harpoon coastal defense launchers without ammunition
Thousands of military radios
Thousands of night vision equipment and optics
Funding for training, maintenance, sustainment, transportation, and administrative costs
23 June 2022 thirteenth military package was announced worth $450 million;
Four additional M142 HIMARS
36,000 105mm artillery shells
18 artillery towing tactical vehicles
1,200 grenade launchers
2000 machine guns
Two Small unit riverine craft
10 Sea Ark Dauntless-class patrol boats
Six 40-foot maritime combat craft
Spare parts and other equipment
1 July the United States government announced the 14th aid package for Ukraine including:
"Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)";
"Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS)";
"Up to 150,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition"; and
"Four additional counter-artillery radars." Some total $820 million in total.
8 July the United States announced their 15th aid package valued at $400 million, the package includes:
4 additional M142 HIMARS (bringing the number of HIMARS pledged to Ukraine to 12).
Additional HIMARS ammunition.
Additional 155mm artillery shells including “A new type [of] 155 mm artillery ammunition," A senior U.S. official said these shells offer a “greater precision” than ordinary shells. Not confirming if they M982 Excalibur the official said: “It offers Ukraine precise capability for specific targets. It will save ammunition. It will be more effective due to the precision.”
“Three tactical trucks”
“Counter-battery systems”
“Demolition munitions”
22 July 2022 the United States government announced their 16th aid package valued at $270 million consisting of:
Four additional M142 HIMARS with ammunition, bring the number pledged to 16.
Four command post vehicles.
36,000 105mm artillery shells.
Up to 580 Phoenix Ghost loitering drones.
Additional armor weapons of unknown model or quantity.
Additional spare parts and other equipment.
1 August 2022, the US has announced the 17th aid package for Ukraine, valued at $550 million. Including 75,000 rounds of 155mm and more HIMARS ammunition.
8 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 18th military aid package for Ukraine:
Additional HIMARS ammunition
75,000 155mm artillery shells
20 120mm mortars
20,000 120mm mortar rounds
Munitions for the NASAMS
1,000 Javelin and "hundreds" of AT4 anti armor weapons
Claymore mines
C-4 explosives, demolitions munitions and demolition equipment
50 armored medical vehicles
Medical supplies, to include first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment.
20 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 19th military aid package for Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for HIMARS
16 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
15 Scan Eagle UAVs
40 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles with mine rollers
Additional high speed anti-radiation missiles
50 armored Humvee vehicles
1,500 BGM-71 TOW missiles
1,000 Javelin anti armor systems
2,000 "anti armor rounds"
Mine clearing equipment and systems
Demolitions munitions
Tactical secure communications systems
Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders.
The Pentagon has also confirmed that Ukraine has been supplied with AGM-88 HARM at an unknown date after wreckage was found near a Russian position.
24 August a $2.98bn package through the Foreign Military Sales process was announced for Ukraine to purchase military hardware from manufacturers, including:
Air defense systems.
Artillery systems and munitions.
Counter-unmanned aerial systems, and radars. These purchases will come directly from US manufacturers with deliveries over a two-year period. Unlike previous donations which were mostly from existing US military stocks this will be for freshly manufactured equipment.
8 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 20th military aid package to Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for HIMARS
Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARM)
100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV)
1.5 million rounds of small arms ammunition
More than 5,000 anti-armor systems
1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems
Additional grenade launchers and small arms
50 armored medical treatment vehicles
Night vision devices and other field equipment.
15 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 21st military aid package to Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
36,000 105mm artillery rounds
1,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds
Four counter-artillery radars
Four trucks and eight trailers to transport heavy equipment;
Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
Mine clearing equipment
Claymore anti-personnel munitions
Demolition munitions and equipment
Small arms and ammunition
Night vision devices, cold weather gear, and other field equipment
28 September 2022 the US DoD announced a military aid package worth $1.1 billion for Ukraine:
18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
additional ammunition for HIMARs
150 HMMWV vehicles
150 "Tactical vehicles" for towing weapons
40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment
Two UAS radars
20 Multi-mission radars
Counter UAS systems
Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optic
Explosive ordnance disposal equipment
Body armor and other field equipment
Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.
4 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $625 million:
Four HIMAR systems with additional rockets
16 155mm howitzers
75,000 155mm artillery shells
500 Precision guided artillery shells
1,000 Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) shells
16 105mm howitzers
30,000 120mm mortar rounds
200 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles
200,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
Obstacle emplacement equipment
Claymore anti-personnel munitions
90 tons of lethal military equipment on 22 January 2021
$125 million of lethal military equipment on 1 March 2021
$150 million of lethal military equipment on 11 June 2021
$60 million of lethal military equipment on 1 September 2021
$350 million of lethal military equipment, on 25 February 2022
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken assured Ukraine's foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba of unspecified further military aid, on 1 March 2022
$200 million of arms and equipment, including Javelin anti-tank missiles and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, on 12 March 2022
16 March 2022, aid sent by the US included:
600 Stinger systems
About 2,600 Javelin missiles
Five Mil Mi-17 helicopters
Three patrol boats
Four counter-artillery and counter-unmanned aerial system tracking radars
Four counter-mortar radar systems
200 grenade launchers and ammunition
200 shotguns
200 machine guns
Nearly 40 million rounds of small arms ammunition
Over 1 million grenade, mortar and artillery rounds
70 Humvees and other vehicles
Unspecified amounts of secure communications, electronic warfare detection systems, body armor, helmets and other tactical gear, military medical equipment, explosive ordnance disposal and demining equipment
Satellite imagery and analysis capability.
$800 million in military equipment announced on 16 March 2022, funded from the $13.6 billion in aid signed on 15 March. The package includes:
2,000 Javelin anti-tank missiles
1,000 light anti-armor weapons
6,000 AT4 anti-armor systems
800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems
100 Switchblade drones
100 grenade launchers
5,000 rifles
1,000 pistols
400 machine guns
400 shotguns
Over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition, grenade launcher rounds and mortar rounds
25,000 sets of body armor
25,000 helmets
Laser-Guided Rockets
$800 million of lethal military equipment, on 13 April 2022:
18 M777 howitzers calibre 155 mm and 40,000 rounds of artillery ammunition
11 Mi-17 military helicopters
200 armored personnel carriers
'counter-artillery radars'.
$800m military package was announced 21 April completing the drawdown from the $13.6bn military and humanitarian funding envelope approved by Congress 15 March
72 M777 155 mm towed howitzer with 144,000 rounds of ammunition
72 artillery towing vehicles
121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones, a reduced capability alternative to the Switchblade quickly designed for export to Ukraine.
5 May the California National Guard had announced it had donated 4,320 ballistic vests, 1,580 helmets and facilitated the delivery of 7 medical field stations to Ukraine.
6 May another military package was announced worth $150 million:
25,000 155mm artillery shells
Counter artillery radars
Jamming equipment
Spare parts
19 May 2022, the Department of Defense (DoD) announces the authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to an additional $100 million:
18 155mm Howitzers;
18 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
3 AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars; and
Field equipment and spare parts.
1 June 2022 another military package was announced worth $700 million High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
Four M142 HIMARS and ammunition
Five counter-artillery radars
Two air surveillance radars
1,000 Javelin missiles and 50 Command Launch Units
6,000 armor weapons
15,000 155 millimeter artillery rounds,
Four Mi-17 helicopters
15 tactical vehicles
Spare parts and equipment
15 June 2022 the twelfth military package was announced worth $1 billion;
18 155mm M777 howitzer howitzers
18 tactical vehicles for towing howitzers
36,000 155mm artillery shells
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
Four tactical recovery vehicles
Spare parts and other equipment
Two Harpoon coastal defense launchers without ammunition
Thousands of military radios
Thousands of night vision equipment and optics
Funding for training, maintenance, sustainment, transportation, and administrative costs
23 June 2022 thirteenth military package was announced worth $450 million;
Four additional M142 HIMARS
36,000 105mm artillery shells
18 artillery towing tactical vehicles
1,200 grenade launchers
2000 machine guns
Two Small unit riverine craft
10 Sea Ark Dauntless-class patrol boats
Six 40-foot maritime combat craft
Spare parts and other equipment
1 July the United States government announced the 14th aid package for Ukraine including:
"Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)";
"Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS)";
"Up to 150,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition"; and
"Four additional counter-artillery radars." Some total $820 million in total.
8 July the United States announced their 15th aid package valued at $400 million, the package includes:
4 additional M142 HIMARS (bringing the number of HIMARS pledged to Ukraine to 12).
Additional HIMARS ammunition.
Additional 155mm artillery shells including “A new type [of] 155 mm artillery ammunition," A senior U.S. official said these shells offer a “greater precision” than ordinary shells. Not confirming if they M982 Excalibur the official said: “It offers Ukraine precise capability for specific targets. It will save ammunition. It will be more effective due to the precision.”
“Three tactical trucks”
“Counter-battery systems”
“Demolition munitions”
22 July 2022 the United States government announced their 16th aid package valued at $270 million consisting of:
Four additional M142 HIMARS with ammunition, bring the number pledged to 16.
Four command post vehicles.
36,000 105mm artillery shells.
Up to 580 Phoenix Ghost loitering drones.
Additional armor weapons of unknown model or quantity.
Additional spare parts and other equipment.
1 August 2022, the US has announced the 17th aid package for Ukraine, valued at $550 million. Including 75,000 rounds of 155mm and more HIMARS ammunition.
8 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 18th military aid package for Ukraine:
Additional HIMARS ammunition
75,000 155mm artillery shells
20 120mm mortars
20,000 120mm mortar rounds
Munitions for the NASAMS
1,000 Javelin and "hundreds" of AT4 anti armor weapons
Claymore mines
C-4 explosives, demolitions munitions and demolition equipment
50 armored medical vehicles
Medical supplies, to include first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment.
20 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 19th military aid package for Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for HIMARS
16 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
15 Scan Eagle UAVs
40 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles with mine rollers
Additional high speed anti-radiation missiles
50 armored Humvee vehicles
1,500 BGM-71 TOW missiles
1,000 Javelin anti armor systems
2,000 "anti armor rounds"
Mine clearing equipment and systems
Demolitions munitions
Tactical secure communications systems
Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders.
The Pentagon has also confirmed that Ukraine has been supplied with AGM-88 HARM at an unknown date after wreckage was found near a Russian position.
24 August a $2.98bn package through the Foreign Military Sales process was announced for Ukraine to purchase military hardware from manufacturers, including:
Air defense systems.
Artillery systems and munitions.
Counter-unmanned aerial systems, and radars. These purchases will come directly from US manufacturers with deliveries over a two-year period. Unlike previous donations which were mostly from existing US military stocks this will be for freshly manufactured equipment.
8 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 20th military aid package to Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for HIMARS
Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARM)
100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV)
1.5 million rounds of small arms ammunition
More than 5,000 anti-armor systems
1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems
Additional grenade launchers and small arms
50 armored medical treatment vehicles
Night vision devices and other field equipment.
15 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 21st military aid package to Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
36,000 105mm artillery rounds
1,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds
Four counter-artillery radars
Four trucks and eight trailers to transport heavy equipment;
Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
Mine clearing equipment
Claymore anti-personnel munitions
Demolition munitions and equipment
Small arms and ammunition
Night vision devices, cold weather gear, and other field equipment
28 September 2022 the US DoD announced a military aid package worth $1.1 billion for Ukraine:
18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
additional ammunition for HIMARs
150 HMMWV vehicles
150 "Tactical vehicles" for towing weapons
40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment
Two UAS radars
20 Multi-mission radars
Counter UAS systems
Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optic
Explosive ordnance disposal equipment
Body armor and other field equipment
Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.
4 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $625 million:
Four HIMAR systems with additional rockets
16 155mm howitzers
75,000 155mm artillery shells
500 Precision guided artillery shells
1,000 Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) shells
16 105mm howitzers
30,000 120mm mortar rounds
200 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles
200,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
Obstacle emplacement equipment
Claymore anti-personnel munitions
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Yes .. we and Europe are at war vs Russia, imho should never have happened .. and thankfully not many of our men and women are involved ..
We need to toss out those in the USA Government who failed to prevent this war ..
The price tag will be higher the longer this goes on .. so we need to give Ukraine maximum now to try and end it sooner.
( and we need to audit the books and go after the "10% for the big guy" types )
Smilingreen
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The price tag will be higher the longer this goes on .. so we need to give Ukraine maximum now to try and end it sooner.
I disagree with that statement, but I think we can agree that we disagree on that. This isn't our war. We should have stayed out of it from the beginning. Now, the stooge in the white house is going to keep opening his mouth and get us into WWIII nuclear war with Russia and China. That will be a war that no one wins.
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technically it is our war when we promised the security of Ukraine when we had worked to have them give up nuclear weapons ...
For us to not be involved, we should have encouraged Ukraine to keep their Nuclear Weapons .. I know many Ukrainians did think about keeping them .. took the USA UK and Russia security promises and lots of cash to convince them otherwise ..
The result of all of this, is simply encouraging more nations to get the bomb ..
Griswalduk
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After we get past the death and destruction phase there will be political discussions followed by some sort of negotiated settlement. A major part of this will be who foots the bill. At the minute a suggestion would be discount gas and oil from Russia for 20 years.
Germany also had to make reparations after WW2. Russia will have to do similar. It's the cost of aggression and ethnic cleansing.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Think of it like a wheelbarrow. It's in front of you
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Germany also had to make reparations after WW2. Russia will have to do similar. It's the cost of aggression and ethnic cleansing.
World War II reparations - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Think of it like a wheelbarrow. It's in front of you
Winter is coming
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N-i-k-s-o-n
Pulling my weight
After we get past the death and destruction phase there will be political discussions followed by some sort of negotiated settlement. A major part of this will be who foots the bill. At the minute a suggestion would be discount gas and oil from Russia for 20 years.
Germany also had to make reparations after WW2. Russia will have to do similar. It's the cost of aggression and ethnic cleansing.
World War II reparations - Wikipedia
Think of it like a wheelbarrow. It's in front of you
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1. Since the Nord Stream gas pipelines are damaged, the sad Europeans also paid attention to the fact that their "faithful American allies" sell gas to Europe for 4 times more than to their consumers.
2. Claims are also growing that Norway earns too much from its gas and should sell it cheaper. In principle, this is a traditional European policy - if you can’t rob some third country, you need to try to steal something from your neighbors. We have seen "European unity" during the COVID pandemic.
3. Regarding reparations. We look with interest at Poland's demands on Germany.
4. Although in general all these "quarrels" of European politicians look like this, the hand of the United States is firmly inserted into them from below.
Griswalduk
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You seem to be confusing business models with reparations.
Reparations are the cost of waging war. Reparations are what the Russian people will have to finance. Russia signed up to this model at the end of WW2 so it should be happy to repeat this again.
Every day Russia remains in Ukraine there is a financial cost. The longer they pursue the final solution to the Ukrainian question the bill increases. If you are concerned challenge your government. If not keep justifying and encouraging the killing.
If you don't like the financial side of war you are going to be horrified when it comes to land negotiations.
Don't worry the Fuhrer will not notice you paying. He will be tucked up in the palace with his billions to keep him warm.
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Griswalduk
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Since we have touched on the idea what financial reparations Russia will have to make it might also be a good time to think what a negotiated land settlement might look like to ensure peace.
Prior to the outbreak of the Russian invasion in February it built up troops and artillery on the border of Ukraine citing it had no intention of invasion and these were military exercises only. Despite these assurances It invaded thus rendering them worthless.
With this in mind a negotiated settlement could be the complete withdrawal from all Ukraine and also a demilitarised grey zone extending say 90km into Russia. See the approximate red line in picture.
While Russia would be free to administer and run the grey zone any military build up could be considered an act of aggression/ intention of war which could result in the defensive use of HIMARS in said area to ensure peace in Ukraine.
Food for thought
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Prior to the outbreak of the Russian invasion in February it built up troops and artillery on the border of Ukraine citing it had no intention of invasion and these were military exercises only. Despite these assurances It invaded thus rendering them worthless.
With this in mind a negotiated settlement could be the complete withdrawal from all Ukraine and also a demilitarised grey zone extending say 90km into Russia. See the approximate red line in picture.
While Russia would be free to administer and run the grey zone any military build up could be considered an act of aggression/ intention of war which could result in the defensive use of HIMARS in said area to ensure peace in Ukraine.
Food for thought
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Griswalduk
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Some more food for thought.
This longer this financially costly murderous campaign goes on the more likely the outcome below will be
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This longer this financially costly murderous campaign goes on the more likely the outcome below will be
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Griswalduk: WINTER IS COMING
History just might repeat itself!
History just might repeat itself!
N-i-k-s-o-n
Pulling my weight
Griswalduk
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Interesting article on the picture you posted. History is repeating itself with the regime stage managing the narrative
Don't forget the huge cost of life. Don't forget Nazism was defeated and will be defeated again despite resurfacing in Russia. Most of all don't be fooled by the regime.
"However, the iconic shot, taken by the famous Soviet war photographer Yevgeny Khaldei and published on 13 May 1945 in the Ogonyk magazine, was a stage-managed re-enactment."
What’s the context? 2 May 1945: Raising a Flag over the Reichstag – History of government
Articles from guest historians and civil servants about the history of UK government.
history.blog.gov.uk
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Interesting article on the picture you posted. History is repeating itself with the regime stage managing the narrative
Don't forget the huge cost of life. Don't forget Nazism was defeated and will be defeated again despite resurfacing in Russia. Most of all don't be fooled by the regime.
"However, the iconic shot, taken by the famous Soviet war photographer Yevgeny Khaldei and published on 13 May 1945 in the Ogonyk magazine, was a stage-managed re-enactment."
What’s the context? 2 May 1945: Raising a Flag over the Reichstag – History of government
Articles from guest historians and civil servants about the history of UK government.
Comrade NIkson, just like a true communist, trying to throw out propaganda to compare it to reality. Putin certainly would be proud of you.
Again, why am I trying to point out the truth to a communist? I need to do something constructive, like mow the lawn.
Meanwhile Ukraine removed Elon Musk billboard in some place in south ukraine.
Russian ares using iranian UAV made of fiber glass and honeycomb structure to reduce radar signature (learnt from the captured US RQ170 in Irain, thank obama and cia).
So what they are doing is using a drone with a BOM cost of around 2k to 5k dollars and Ukraine is using up missiles which cost millions of dollars per shot and they still miss the drone.
When the US provided NASAM and german IRST systems arrive in ukraine each missile costs upwards of 1million dollars and can hit a target only at max range of 20miles away. Because these systems have a low height mast radar, its range is further limited in ukraine with trees and buildings vs a open desert like iraq.
Once the AA missiles of ukraine is depleted this way, Russian air force will then be able to fly at 10k feet and above.
Currently they are unable to do so because ukraine Buk M1 and S300 which are mobile are difficult to detect and hit, they have ranges of 100+miles. Same problem Nato and USAF had in Serbian war, where US lost even stealth aircraft like F117, with even more ancient soviet air defense systems.
Also the head of Nato said, "if russian wins in Ukraine its means a defeat of Nato" so this war is going to be a long drag, protests in EU against Nato and Russian sanctions are rapidly increasing. So it either ends with civilians outsing current woke leaders in EU and elsewhere or we end up with a Mushroom clouds.
Russian ares using iranian UAV made of fiber glass and honeycomb structure to reduce radar signature (learnt from the captured US RQ170 in Irain, thank obama and cia).
So what they are doing is using a drone with a BOM cost of around 2k to 5k dollars and Ukraine is using up missiles which cost millions of dollars per shot and they still miss the drone.
When the US provided NASAM and german IRST systems arrive in ukraine each missile costs upwards of 1million dollars and can hit a target only at max range of 20miles away. Because these systems have a low height mast radar, its range is further limited in ukraine with trees and buildings vs a open desert like iraq.
Once the AA missiles of ukraine is depleted this way, Russian air force will then be able to fly at 10k feet and above.
Currently they are unable to do so because ukraine Buk M1 and S300 which are mobile are difficult to detect and hit, they have ranges of 100+miles. Same problem Nato and USAF had in Serbian war, where US lost even stealth aircraft like F117, with even more ancient soviet air defense systems.
Also the head of Nato said, "if russian wins in Ukraine its means a defeat of Nato" so this war is going to be a long drag, protests in EU against Nato and Russian sanctions are rapidly increasing. So it either ends with civilians outsing current woke leaders in EU and elsewhere or we end up with a Mushroom clouds.