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Who claimed a source? Read the material and then complain. I am and some of it is indeed concerning.
mat200
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Facts about the "Stimulus Bill"
"Tulsi Gabbard: Why I voted AGAINST spending bill"
"Tulsi Gabbard: Why I voted AGAINST spending bill"
Oceanslider
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I think Trump should buy one of these for the inauguration... But don't tell anyone what it is, have it brought in under cover, and present it as a present to Creepy Joe.
Kid Rock is getting his own giant middle finger sculpture from Vermont | Boston.com
Kid Rock is getting his own giant middle finger sculpture from Vermont | Boston.com
Oceanslider
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Oceanslider
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We should start a thread with all the good ones
Parley
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All indications are that he will pocket veto it meaning he has 10 days (not including Sundays) to sign or veto. If he doesn’t it would be come law except if Congress is not in session which it won’t be on January 3rd. He doesn’t have the nearly 5,600 page bill on his desk - it‘s still at the printer’s.
Watch the video. That’s what Trump said.
That $2000 does not worth of country going in debt. If the useless funding continues we shall see a steep fall in dollar value. It’s just a matter of time.
Ssayer
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Yea definitely, when the bill got $33 billion to Venezuela to promote democracy when Americans are sucking up on their toes and debt for upcoming generation.
sebastiantombs
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The SWAMP is back even with President Trump still in office. Just wait and see what happens if Sleepy, Creepy, Crooked, Basement, Joe Bunco ends up in the White House.
Will Trump play the #PenceCard December 23 (today)? Thread: Absolutely not. The assertion that he will hurts our credibility and the cause because people who trust some accounts pushing it will be demoralized when it doesn’t happen. Let me explain:
2/ For this thread again, we will assume the Electoral Count Act of 1887 is Constitutional and binding. It very well may not be, but it doesn’t appear we have any court that will ever say so.
3/ The ECA is found in 3 USC 1-21. In secs 12 & 13, it requires that on the 4th Wed of Dec (that’s today) the President of the Senate (that’s Pence) to notify the states if he/she (or the Archivist) has not received a “certificate of vote and list” mentioned in sections 9 & 11.
4/ Sections 9 & 10 are merely administrative. Sec9 says that electors from the state make & sign six certificates of the votes w/ a lists for Pres & VP & attach a list of electors. Sec10 requires the electors to seal up the certificates & certify that the list of votes are inside
5/ The Pence Card is the idea that today, the VP can review & decide that the dem electors sent by AZ/NV/GA/PA/MI/WI don't meet the reqs of the ECA and/or the Const so, in effect, the VP hasn't received proper electors from the states & has a duty to notify them of that fact.
6/ Importantly, any notification to the state that the VP doesn’t have certificates can be cured. That’s the point of the notification – to get the certificates.
7/ The Act was written in 1887. The purpose of this provision is to make sure the wagon didn’t fall off the bridge with the certificates and, if it did, to “send a messenger” to get new certificates from the states. It isn’t to make legal decisions.
8/ If Pence does notify the states today (he won’t), he is also throwing out the republican electoral votes that were so painstakingly cast and that our state republicans are trying so very hard to get certified by state legislatures.
9/ Let’s look ahead to what the ECA says will happen in the future. It says on January 6 the votes will be opened by the VP. That means that the deadline today just means the envelopes are in hand. There will be no evaluation of the certificates or decisions of law made today.
10/ And what if Pence did this? How do you think many in our country & around the world would view a sitting VP single-handedly dismissing votes that would kick him out of office?
11/ I dare say this would be catastrophic. Now, the January 6 scenario is far different in terms of fallout IMO, but the Pence Card being played today would be a disaster.
12/ I want a Trump victory because I believe that is what the people voted for, but this isn't the way. We cannot destroy what we are trying to preserve.
2/ For this thread again, we will assume the Electoral Count Act of 1887 is Constitutional and binding. It very well may not be, but it doesn’t appear we have any court that will ever say so.
3/ The ECA is found in 3 USC 1-21. In secs 12 & 13, it requires that on the 4th Wed of Dec (that’s today) the President of the Senate (that’s Pence) to notify the states if he/she (or the Archivist) has not received a “certificate of vote and list” mentioned in sections 9 & 11.
4/ Sections 9 & 10 are merely administrative. Sec9 says that electors from the state make & sign six certificates of the votes w/ a lists for Pres & VP & attach a list of electors. Sec10 requires the electors to seal up the certificates & certify that the list of votes are inside
5/ The Pence Card is the idea that today, the VP can review & decide that the dem electors sent by AZ/NV/GA/PA/MI/WI don't meet the reqs of the ECA and/or the Const so, in effect, the VP hasn't received proper electors from the states & has a duty to notify them of that fact.
6/ Importantly, any notification to the state that the VP doesn’t have certificates can be cured. That’s the point of the notification – to get the certificates.
7/ The Act was written in 1887. The purpose of this provision is to make sure the wagon didn’t fall off the bridge with the certificates and, if it did, to “send a messenger” to get new certificates from the states. It isn’t to make legal decisions.
8/ If Pence does notify the states today (he won’t), he is also throwing out the republican electoral votes that were so painstakingly cast and that our state republicans are trying so very hard to get certified by state legislatures.
9/ Let’s look ahead to what the ECA says will happen in the future. It says on January 6 the votes will be opened by the VP. That means that the deadline today just means the envelopes are in hand. There will be no evaluation of the certificates or decisions of law made today.
10/ And what if Pence did this? How do you think many in our country & around the world would view a sitting VP single-handedly dismissing votes that would kick him out of office?
11/ I dare say this would be catastrophic. Now, the January 6 scenario is far different in terms of fallout IMO, but the Pence Card being played today would be a disaster.
12/ I want a Trump victory because I believe that is what the people voted for, but this isn't the way. We cannot destroy what we are trying to preserve.
I don't want or actually need the stimulus (yes, of course I could used some extra cash, who couldn't?) but I'll be damn if I want MY TAX DOLLARS going to other countries WHEN AMERICANS ARE HURTING!!! Money for the fine arts? For Pakistan's study on 'transgender', I mean, WHAT THE F$CK??? Cut ALL OF THE PORK out of it, and do the right thing. OMG these freak'n idiots...is it time for another revolution yet? I mean, is it? Nope, we can't AFFORD ONE!
Ho, HO, HO.....aka: Kamala!
Ho, HO, HO.....aka: Kamala!
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I have a nomination for the democratic and communist fake news hall of fame. I'm trying to figure out how this paragraph has anything to do with reporting Trump's veto of the current defense appropriation bill. From the AP:
"The action came while Trump was holed up at the White House, stewing about his election loss and escalating his standoff with Republicans as he pushed fraudulent conspiracy theories and tried to pressure them to back his efforts to overturn the results."
Trump vetoes defense bill, setting up possible override vote
"The action came while Trump was holed up at the White House, stewing about his election loss and escalating his standoff with Republicans as he pushed fraudulent conspiracy theories and tried to pressure them to back his efforts to overturn the results."
Trump vetoes defense bill, setting up possible override vote
Oceanslider
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Am I doing the math right? 600,000,000,000 right? So, 600,000,000,000 / 12,600,000 is $47619.0476 a person, since there are roughly 12.6 million currently unemployed?
Yeah they care about Americans. LOL