I don't think I was condescending. Nor do I think my post was full of nonsense. The person responded to my post with a "Sigh" in text. I went on to ask for facts and specifics to back up their continued unsubstantiated claims made here in this Forum thread. My post:
http://www.ipcamtalk.com/hikvision/3004-firmware-post26151.html#post26151
Please read your post text here as well:
"There is no reason to be condescending towards other forum members
***-> particularity because your post is full of nonsense (and you keep adding to it with the no less than 15 edits so far)"
<-***"
That said. I think you are and have been very condescending and ignorant toward me. Your response here and in other posts here as responses to me, substantially self document this as fact. Especially about your incessant need to ask about my number of edits to my posts publicly, over and over in the Forum. You have gone so far in prior post responses to me here in the Forum, when mentioning this in other posts here. To publicly call my post editing "Psychotic".
Yet you wish to have an intelligent conversation on what's
condescending even with your post text here alone. Besides the multitude of other responses to me here in this Forum that use the same ignorant tone? That can be found easily. When you could and can, PM me instead. I have NEVER as in EVER publicly stated why I edit some of my posts the way I do. But since you continue to be ignorant about it and could and can not send me a PM asking me about it. But need to do it instead PUBLICLY many times here. In the Forum.
I was diagnosed as Brittle Type I diabetic at age 46. One in one hundred diabetics are a Type I diabetic and one in one hundred Type I diabetics are a "Brittle Type I Diabetic". It's one of the worse forms of Type I diabetes to have. I am now 58. I am losing the feelings in all my fingers, especially my fingertips and my eyesight is also getting worse, year by year, because of this disease. Prior to age 46, I had 20/20 vision and could type 100 WPM with virtually no errors. While, I should take the time now to type slower and read what I post better before I click the save button. I don't.
Is that OK with you fenderman? That I continue to edit my posts as needed? If you like, why not tell me what amount of edits I can do per post or disable my ability to edit my posts? Since me editing my posts, bothers you Soooooo much. Yet it's a feature that comes with no limits for the vast majority of Forum software. Including the Forum software used here.
Now that I have publicly for the first time EVER told EVERYONE about my illness? Because you are and have been too ignorant, to ask me about it in a PM here. Instead when you get bored you say it publicly!
Back to the subject of this thread.
You and a few others here, are making a claim that the new firmware, has
No value added changes and fixes. The operative word here is "
NO". If it's not truthful, then why use and continue to use the word?
The only way to honestly make a claim like that, is to know every change and fix included in the new firmware. Documented and not documented. If you don't have that information in it's entirety. Then state so vs. blatantly lying while acting like you do. By not including words like:
In my opinion
I feel
I think
Most likely
The question is more "why" you and others fail to include words like the above when suggesting that other IP Camera owners not install new firmware provided by the manufacture. IMHO ego is why. For sure it's not being honest by simply saying as was said:
That the new firmware has
No value added:
You are also doing the same thing. Your basing your new firmware claim, with no supporting facts. As in Zero, Zip, Nada.
I don't need to support my responses to these claims, that new firmware should be installed due to having more positive benefits than negative benefits. Because it's obvious ("By anyone that knows and understands why firmware/software updates/new versions are released") that the manufacturer of the IP Camera released new firmware not because they were bored, don't need or care about money and had nothing else better to do with their corporate resources and time.
Again, I am not making these unsubstantiated claims you and a few others are here. I am simply responding to these unsubstantiated claims. Asking for specifics and facts.
So, please. In great detail explain all the changes and fixes in the new firmware releases and why they are/were a meaningless waste of time for the manufacturer to produce. This is an expectation that we all deserve for a claim such as this that basically is stating the manufacturer of these IP Cameras is not as intelligent as those that know better than to install the new firmware they provide.
If you can't do the above. Then stop "Acting" like you know about every change or fix in new firmware releases and telling others that they don't need those new firmware releases. When you know you don't know everything that was changed or fixed in that new firmware. Because to do otherwise. Is well, blatantly lying. There is no other term for it. Because you are using a "Gut Feeling" yet not calling it that and more or less "Acting" like you have some "inside information" of everything that was changed and fixed in that firmware release and based on that information you are helpfully informing IP Camera owners. Which we know is not the case here.
Also, please re-read the "About Me" link in my signature fenderman. It might help you to remember that my technical background goes back many decades and has little to nothing to do with my recent use of and help with Foscam IP Cameras. Which started in 2012. I'm more than sure you are capable of doing this math if you choose vs. acting like my technical background started with Foscam. LOL! Yet you seem not able to let that falsehood go.
If you want to claim the earth is flat, then prove it. Because it's not! I'm not making the claim that the earth is flat, you and a few others are. So, asking those making this claim to substantiate it. Makes common sense and is very justified.
Meaning, the manufacturer in this case released new firmware. If you say that the firmware is not needed. Then please also explain, all the changes/fixes which are in the new firmware. Documented and not documented so that it will help substantiate your claim. That the manufacturer wasted their time, money and corporate resources to create this new firmware, for their IP Camera owners. As you tell IP Camera owners NOT to install that firmware. Because you are "All and knowing" or just smarter then anyone else in this field. Including the manufacture who designed, created and maintains these devices.
Again, it's not asking much to do that vs. somehow trusting that you are technically capable to have dissembled and evaluated the new firmware in it's entirely and other IP Camera owners should believe you over the manufacture. Because somehow, you and a few others are "All and knowing".
That's not sarcasm or being condescending on my part. It's stating things as they are being written by you and a few others here and asking for validation to back up those claims with all the specifics and details that you should already have available beforehand, to be making such claims.
Additionally, if you only wish to focus on the security fixes in new firmware vs. all the other things which are generally also included in new firmware releases. It matters little how long ago an exploit was initially published. Since virtually all exploits continue to be exploited in the future. When there are devices that continue to be exploitable using that exploit. So your logic is flawed about that and that's not my personal opinion. It's documented and a well known fact on how hacking communities work.
As one Example. XP as an operating system continues to be exploited using exploits initially published many years ago. The same applies to any software/firmware.
Don
