Zmodo / Funlux suck how they manipulate the game.

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  1. mat200

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    Hi,

    It is important to share how some companies go out of their way to deceive and manipulate potential customers to buy crappy products.

    A great example of one such company are those behind Zmodo / Funlux brands.

    They imho are one of the worst.

    Here I illustrate a prime example of them astroturfing in another forum.

    Notice the new account created the same month, only a week before the first post. Notice the number of posts this account has done. Notice the wording they used.

    This is why you want to avoid crappy companies selling crappy products. I'll add more below.



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    Here are my notes from that forum regarding Zmodo, Funlux, as well as Annke / Sannce
    ( note so far there has been one exception for Annke branded cameras - because that one camera is a quality Hikvision OEM product )

    How does this .. compare to a zmodo / annke / sannce / funlux "POE" system?:
    All of those brands seem to like to deceive customers into thinking they are selling an affordable PoE security camera system, when in fact the system is NOT PoE and does not meet any PoE standards and is not compatible with IP cameras. Those are proprietary systems which once you read more about you will find they are back pedaling and then calling them "sPOE" - what they call simplified POE. They are clearly being fraudulent, thus I recommend avoiding them and getting something which meets PoE standards and allows you to plug in ONVIF spec cameras to the system.
    Examples of fraudulent misrepresentation and/or deceptive practices:
    • Claiming NVR and cameras are POE, when it is not - look for terms like sPoE and simplified PoE.
    • Claiming system is 1080p, when the NVR is capable of displaying to a 1080p monitor/TV but only able to handle 720p cameras.
    • Claiming system is 1080p, upon closer look you notice "1080p lite" - which does not meet 1080p standards. Typically look for less fps. ( frames per second )
    • Inferring that the system is 1080p by using the term 1080N, noting that 1080N = 960×1080=1036800 pixels vs. 720p = 1280x720 = 921600 vs 1080p = 1920x1080 = 2073600
    • Claiming cameras are IP cameras, but you will notice that the cameras only work with their branded "NVR", and may in fact be analog cameras for all we know.
    • Claiming system is digital, using banking level security, and secure vs an analog system which is not secure. Absolute BS, from companies which will not hire enough talented software engineers.
    • Astroturfing - zmodo / funlux / Annke practices astroturfing in forums like SlickDeals - posting positive comments and thumbs up.
    Ref: ANNKE 1080P 8CH HD POE Security Camera System is best for home safety
    Ref: Whats 1080N resolution for DVRs?

    sPoE, simplified PoE - certainly these vendors would not lie to me to make more sales, so it must be some version of PoE.
    Welcome to the con job, anything to separate your money from you by showing you a crazy low price for what may appear to be something better.
    The fact is that those using these terms are being deceptive and fraudulent. Since 1999 there have been standards for PoE, and prior to that standards for Ethernet over twisted pairs. While it is possible to have legacy ( pre-standard ) PoE implementations, any new products produced which claim to be PoE should meet at least one PoE spec, as well as ethernet specs. When this is not the case, and yet those terms are used - then clearly there is fraudulent and deceptive practices going on.
    Example:
    Ethernet over twisted pair - specifies 2 pairs for transmission of data ( 10BaseT, 100BaseT,.. ) - vs - zmodo's "sPoE" which uses only 1 pair for this ( using 1 pair for power ).
    Zmodo includes cables in their kits with only 4 wires ( 2 pairs ) vs cat5/cat5e/cat6 which have 8 wires ( 4 twisted pairs ). The only similarity that zmodo retains is the RJ45 jack - and using an RJ45 jack does not make it ethernet, nor PoE compliant. In fact you can implement the zmodo cable with just plain old telephone cables - yes that is correct, you can use 4 wire phone cable, that is 2 pairs. This is what zmodo does in effect.
    Here is a video which clearly shows the cameras using only 4 wires - 2 for power, 2 for signal - thus it does not meet ethernet specs for twisted pair, also note color coding does not meet the spec either.
     
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    Zmodo ignored 3 emails from me requesting on behalf of a client an RMA for a bad cam that failed during year 2 of a 3 year warranty. You can offer a 10 year warranty or promise the moon but if you ignore all requests for service or support then your co. makes money BUT...no repeat customer base! I tell everyone to avoid Zmodo like the plague because they offer a lousy product at a mediocre price and back it up with non-existent customer service...the trifecta of bad business practice!
     
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    I couldn't understand the guy in the video, what did he say was the cause of the corrosion? Crappy waterproof parts?

    I suspect (hope) that the companies that bailed on the NRA will feel the burn.
     
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    You can see the account created to manipulate and astroturf.

    There are many account also created to just up vote zmodo / funlux and those do not engage in commentary, just tilting the score to increase sales.

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