Mr_D
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Everything I can find is black and most of it is gel-filled for direct burial. I won't be burying it, but I'll need UV resistance and a white jacket. Black would look ugly as hell and I don't want to paint it.
I have not used this and cannot comment on its performance but here's one that meets your specs. It' s boxed, I think a reel would be less likely to get twisted than a boxed version ('UN-reel"):Everything I can find is black and most of it is gel-filled for direct burial. I won't be burying it, but I'll need UV resistance and a white jacket. Black would look ugly as hell and I don't want to paint it.
Everything I can find is black and most of it is gel-filled for direct burial. I won't be burying it, but I'll need UV resistance and a white jacket. Black would look ugly as hell and I don't want to paint it.
Because it's more work and a 3/4" conduit sticks out more on the side of a house than an Ethernet cable. Most of the cameras shouldn't have any exposed wire but some may need a cable run under the eaves. A small number may need cable run along a wall to reach a point where it can enter the attic. The stucco is off-white so white would be a better match than blackWhy do you not want to run it in conduit ?
I use this cable on a daily basis, Very good Cable !!I have not used this and cannot comment on its performance but here's one that meets your specs. It' s boxed, I think a reel would be less likely to get twisted than a boxed version ('UN-reel"):
Solid copper, Cat-5e, CMX jacket, outdoor, UV-rated
I already have the white version of that cable. Good stuff, but not outdoor rated.Much better choice....
1000FT Cat6 Bulk Bare Copper Ethernet Network Cable UTP, Solid, Riser Rated (CMR), 500MHz, 23AWG, Blue - Monoprice.com
I use MonoPrice cables daily.. fantastic quality and value.
do you really need this to be outdoor rated? how much of this cable is actually going to be seen. IMO, none of this cable should be seen around the house. Should be in a box, or conduit as it leaves the attic area, underground, etc.I already have the white version of that cable. Good stuff, but not outdoor rated.
Cable in underground conduit MUST be outdoor-rated, as considerable moisture WILL find it's way into the conduit eventually. It does not, however, need to be gel-filled. A HDPE (high density polyethylene) jacket is sufficient.do you really need this to be outdoor rated? .......Should be in a box, or conduit as it leaves the attic area, underground, etc.
My apologies @TonyR....Cable in underground conduit MUST be outdoor-rated and suitable for direct burial, as considerable moisture WILL find it's way into the conduit eventually. It does not, however, need to be gel-filled. A HDPE (high density polyethylene) jacket is sufficient.
No apology needed, the clarification sufficed.My apologies @TonyR....
When I said underground i was in reference to the "California Basement" under the house. Usually a small crawl space, where this wire can be tacked up without conduit under the studs. Defiantly not under the earth, as in buried without conduit or the proper "burial" cable rating.
I agree that there will be water in the conduit, but how does that make its way into an undamaged cable jacket? Most CMR cable has a PVC jacket. I'm certainly no chemist, but I believe that PVC is totally waterproof.Cable in underground conduit MUST be outdoor-rated and suitable for direct burial, as considerable moisture WILL find it's way into the conduit eventually. It does not, however, need to be gel-filled. A HDPE (high density polyethylene) jacket is sufficient.
I'm no chemist either but I rely on 31 years of having to replace on numerous occasions damaged indoor cable with thin PVC jackets in underground conduits. Perhaps there were hairline slits or pinches to the thin jacket when installed, perhaps it was corrosive chemicals in the groundwater, I don't know. But I will say that if Belden stated here that a particular CAT-5e with CMP jacket is for indoor use only I'd go with that.I agree that there will be water in the conduit, but how does that make its way into an undamaged cable jacket? Most CMR cable has a PVC jacket. I'm certainly no chemist, but I believe that PVC is totally waterproof.
I take actual experience more seriously than what spec sheets or instruction books say. I combed through the Belden spec sheets and they don't directly address water and moisture resistance. They do address oil and uv resistance. The CMR jackets for instance are oil resistant and the CMP jackets aren't. The Belden outdoor cable isn't rated for direct burial unless it's gel filled. I compared the jackets of come cat6 CMR and outdoor cable I have and they're exactly the same thickness. The only visible difference is that the outdoor cable has a very thin clear plastic layer under the jacket. "Outdoor" cable is generally moisture and uv resistant, and approved for aerial runs. In buried conduit, 2 of these 3 factors don't exist. I just wish the manufacturers would address buried conduit directly.I'm no chemist either but I rely on 31 years of having to replace on numerous occasions damaged indoor cable with thin PVC jackets in underground conduits.
I guess you missed the first line in my post #15, I also rely on experience, the specs was for your benefit.I take actual experience more seriously than what spec sheets or instruction books say.
Now THAT'S where I trust my experience!I just wish the manufacturers would address buried conduit directly.
I'm at a loss where the disagreement is. The only things I've asserted in this thread are:Let's agree to disagree
Again I refer to my post #15 wherein I stated "....having to replace on numerous occasions damaged indoor cable with thin PVC jackets in underground conduits. Perhaps there were hairline slits or pinches to the thin jacket when installed, perhaps it was corrosive chemicals in the groundwater, I don't know."I'm at a loss where the disagreement is. And I was dumb enough to ask how moisture got into cable with a waterproof jacket. Lesson learned.