IPC-HFW1831C-PIR 8MP WDR IR Mini Bullet Network Camera / Active Deterrence Overview

That is true thanks.

Cool looking camera, looking forward to seeing some results. Looks like it would not be a visual eyesore if used inside, also. It does not look weatherproof, had to look up the spec sheet to verify but it is in fact IP-66.

Mike said:

Cool looking camera, looking forward to seeing some results. Looks like it would not be a visual eyesore if used inside, also. It does not look weatherproof, had to look up the spec sheet to verify but it is in fact IP-66.

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Looks good on a shelf or desk.

These 2 models get total 10pcs NEW stock,

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Mine came in this afternoon. I've only had an hour or so fiddle around with it so far...

If you were wondering if you could use the bullet-style mount for a ceiling mount, yes, as long as the camera is angled down some. If you need a ceiling mount where the camera points directly ahead (or tilts up some), you'd need to use the other bracket that's used for sitting on furniture/desks/etc. Speaking of that second bracket, this is probably obvious, but you can only change the camera tilt... you can not have that bracket pointing forward and try to pan the camera to the left/right any... you'd need to use the bullet-style bracket (pic below) for that.



For my initial testing, I'm temporarily using this camera to replace a SD1A203T-GN Starlight mini-dome PTZ on my front porch. This camera is mounted about 20 feet to the right of the front door... you can see the setup in the YouTube video below. I plan on one day adding a 4231 wedge right by the front door, but so far this camera position has worked out well enough that adding another camera on the porch hasn't been a priority.

The video below is super quick and just shows the camera flashing the white light when the PIR triggers. That white light is very bright! Even when the porch lights were on, you couldn't miss it. I do not have sound enabled at the moment.


Note the green light that @fenderman posted about in the pics below. Haven't found a way to turn that off yet...







My camera came out of the box with the PIR set to trigger both the audio and the light... super fun to have those go off as soon as the camera boots up the first time.

You can control the PIR stuff on Settings > Events > Alarm.



I haven't tweaked any of the video settings. Here are some quick night-time snapshots from my porch (with the porch lights off).

IR ON:


IR OFF:


Starlight SD1A203T-GN with IR OFF (because it reflects off the house and washes out the shot):

I am having a little bit of a struggle with having BI only trigger when this camera's PIR Alarm triggers.

Initially, this configuration works great:
BI:
Video > Configure... | Select "Get events with PullPointSubscription"
Trigger > Sources | Only "Camera's digital input or motion" selected

CAMERA:
Setting > Event | Only "Alarm" > "PIR Alarm" is enabled

The struggle I'm running into is that after that's all setup and running great, if I do anything that makes BI disconnect/reconnect to the camera (like save an edit to the camera's properties in BI or restart the BI service), somehow "Motion Detection" gets enabled on the camera.

Needless to say, with both "Motion Detection" and "PIR Alarm" enabled on the camera, BI gets triggered a lot more than I want. If I go back into the camera and disable "Motion Detection", everything is good until I do something within BI that causes it to disconnect/reconnect from the camera... then "Motion Detection" on the camera gets re-enabled.

aristobrat said:

I am having a little bit of a struggle with having BI only trigger when this camera's PIR Alarm triggers.

Initially, this configuration works great:
BI:
Video > Configure... | Select "Get events with PullPointSubscription"
Trigger > Sources | Only "Camera's digital input or motion" selected

CAMERA:
Setting > Event | Only "Alarm" > "PIR Alarm" is enabled

The struggle I'm running into is that after that's all setup and running great, if I do anything that makes BI disconnect/reconnect to the camera (like save an edit to the camera's properties in BI or restart the BI service), somehow "Motion Detection" gets enabled on the camera.

Needless to say, with both "Motion Detection" and "PIR Alarm" enabled on the camera, BI gets triggered a lot more than I want. If I go back into the camera and disable "Motion Detection", everything is good until I do something within BI that causes it to disconnect/reconnect from the camera... then "Motion Detection" on the camera gets re-enabled.

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My camera does not have this issue. Try deleting the camera and starting over.
Alternatively, you might just want to create a non admin user in the camera and disable event authority. Then use that login for blue iris.

Nevermind, I was able to reproduce it the issue. I am testing the alternative solution.

Even setting both onvif and standard account to "user" does not prevent this. Strange.

"Note the green light that fenderman posted about in the pics below. Haven't found a way to turn that off yet..."
Narrow strip of black electrical tape ?

aristobrat said:

I am having a little bit of a struggle with having BI only trigger when this camera's PIR Alarm triggers.

Initially, this configuration works great:
BI:
Video > Configure... | Select "Get events with PullPointSubscription"
Trigger > Sources | Only "Camera's digital input or motion" selected

CAMERA:
Setting > Event | Only "Alarm" > "PIR Alarm" is enabled

The struggle I'm running into is that after that's all setup and running great, if I do anything that makes BI disconnect/reconnect to the camera (like save an edit to the camera's properties in BI or restart the BI service), somehow "Motion Detection" gets enabled on the camera.

Needless to say, with both "Motion Detection" and "PIR Alarm" enabled on the camera, BI gets triggered a lot more than I want. If I go back into the camera and disable "Motion Detection", everything is good until I do something within BI that causes it to disconnect/reconnect from the camera... then "Motion Detection" on the camera gets re-enabled.

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What you can do in the interim, is to uncheck the schedule for the motion detection and or delete the covered area. This way it will not trigger. The downside is that sd card recording on the camera will only occur if the subject is close enough for the pir.

fenderman said:

What you can do in the interim, is to uncheck the schedule for the motion detection and or delete the covered area.

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Good idea, I'll give the schedule thing a try tomorrow! When I was playing around with areas last night, it seemed like Motion Detection and PIR Alarm both use the same area map... if I deleted the covered area in Motion Detection, then the PIR Alarm didn't work because its covered area also showed as being deleted. If I added covered area back into PIR Alarm, then the same covered area showed back up in Motion Detection.

aristobrat said:

Good idea, I'll give the schedule thing a try tomorrow! When I was playing around with areas last night, it seemed like Motion Detection and PIR Alarm both use the same area map... if I deleted the covered area in Motion Detection, then the PIR Alarm didn't work because its covered area also showed as being deleted. If I added covered area back into PIR Alarm, then the same covered area showed back up in Motion Detection.

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That may be, so then simply disable the schedule for the motion.

Really like these cams. Would love a proper outdoor version of these. My only dislike is how the mount and how the cable is exposed. Love the fact it has built in PIR and audio recording.

Would anyone here recommend getting these as outdoor camera's?

I probably look to get around 6 of them.

Duc998 said:

Really like these cams. Would love a proper outdoor version of these. My only dislike is how the mount and how the cable is exposed. Love the fact it has built in PIR and audio recording.

Would anyone here recommend getting these as outdoor camera's?

I probably look to get around 6 of them.

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Think its ip66 should be fine outside 8 believe

Cameraguy said:

Think its ip66 should be fine outside 8 believe

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I wouldn't expect any problems outdoors with an IP66 rating, either. With that rating, it should be able to handle being sprayed with "powerful jets", so whatever Mother Nature throws at it weather-wise should be fine... except for floods .. IP66 stuff can't be submerged.

Tks guys, Aristobrat how you finding the PIR detection? Does it work well with BlueIris?

I've been running BI for many years with some Hikvision 3MP domes, Its served me well. But moving to a new house so leaving the Hiks behind.

These cams look great, Small and packed with features. Will hit up Empire for a few around the house and one main PTZ with autotracking at the front.

Duc998 said:

Tks guys, Aristobrat how you finding the PIR detection? Does it work well with BlueIris?

I've been running BI for many years with some Hikvision 3MP domes, Its served me well. But moving to a new house so leaving the Hiks behind.

These cams look great, Small and packed with features. Will hit up Empire for a few around the house and one main PTZ with autotracking at the front.

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sure can work with BI, @fenderman is working with BI for the two way audio function working out with BI.

@Duc998, the PIR detection has worked great for me so far, and having PIR trigger BI is no problem. Right it, it looks like the method BI uses to be aware of the camera's PIR Alarms causes the camera's motion detection feature to enable. I only want BI to trigger on PIR Alarms (never camera motion detection) , so I have to hop on the camera and disable motion detection. Hasn't been a major problem so far, and hopefully something that BI can eventually handle.

I still don't 100% understand the correlation between how motion detection and PIR work on this camera.

On the camera's PIR Alarm tab, there's a option called "Area" that has a [Setting] button.



My experience has been that in order to get PIR to work, I have to set an area, like below (where I've set the entire image):



I wouldn't think that if you just wanted PIR alarms that you'd need to set an area, but my experience is that you do.

For example, if I only set an area that covers the bushes/mulch in the lower-left of the image, then the PIR Alarm would not trigger when I walk on the concrete part of the front porch (where the PIR sensor should easily be picking me up).

Also, if mess with the Sensitivity and Threshold settings (which are typically used to fine tune the camera's motion detection) to make them less sensitive, then the PIR Alarm won't trigger either in situations where I know the PIR sensor should easily be picking me up.

With the PIR Alarm area set like above, everything seems to be working great for me. No complaints. Just makes it feel like there's no way to use PIR alone for triggers, ... it's like the camera requires PIR + motion detection before it will trigger a PIR alarm (which is probably a good thing and will reduce false alarms).

For folks that use the iDMSS app, the app can trigger the audio alarm as well as the LED.



FWIW, just playing around, I changed the LED's behavior from "flashing" to "solid on". At night when the porch lights are off (and the camera has switched to B/W mode for the night), when the LED comes on solid, it lights up the porch bright enough to cause the camera to switch to color mode. As expected, the video goes to poop while the camera switches modes. If I keep the "solid on", I'll def. need to keep his camera in B/W mode all night (vs auto mode).