Best cam

[Funkyduck]

I searched the internet and searched this forum, but my question is hard to be answered.
At this moment I am looking for a very good cam for outside to watch the birds in the big garden.
I use it with serveillance station.
I allready have some MP8 dome cams of Hikvision and now I thought I want to buy the 8MP bullet version of it.
But in another topic I read that this cams are small and not the best because they are little.
Can someone point me to the better/best cam to buy?
It is really hard to find someone that can tell me, so I hope someone can help me here.

 

[chaosengine]

What Hikvision models do you have? Best cam to buy - what is your asking price?

Search this forum for topics containing "review". These two are very good:

Review - Dahua IPC-HFW7442H-Z 4MP Ultra AI Varifocal Bullet Camera

All, thanks to Andy (@EMPIRETECANDY ) we have a new 4MP Ultra AI camera for testing. This camera has been provided by Andy in exchange for a fair and honest review. This is a varifocal bullet cam with a 2.7mm to 12mm optical zoom and Ultra AI feature set. Full specs below and will be adding...

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Review-Dahua IPC-HFW7842HP-Z AI, ANPR Ultra 8MP Varifocal Starlight Cam

Dahua IPC-HFW7842HP-Z from EMPIRETECANDY 8MP Deep learning AI Starlight camera. Review unit courtesy of Andy (@EMPIRETECANDY) in exchange for a fair and honest review. Andy's ipcamtalk vendor forum: link Andy's AliExpress store: link Andy's Amazon store: link Andy's Email: kingsecurity2014 (at)...

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[coney27]

Your asking a very broad question with no parameters or details. You want the best Hikvision 8mp bullet camera? Here ya go.

8 MP Outdoor Varifocal Bullet Network Camera

The Hikvision DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS DeepinView Outdoor Varifocal Bullet Network Camera includes deep learning technology for human, vehicle, and face detection. It supports H.265+ video compression, which assures savings in bandwidth and storage.

us.hikvision.com

 

[Funkyduck]

Actually I told you what I want to do with it and I told you what experience I have with cams.
I did not say it has to be Hikvision, but I want to use it with surveillance station.
I also had a 4MP cam, but I experienced that a 8MP has sharper view.
I cannot just buy al camera's to experience what cam is the best. So I hoped you have experience that tell me what cam is awsome for a good price.
I think motor vocals become to expensive and I think I don't need that.
Just a very good cam to watch the birds

 

[samplenhold]

Well I don't know if it is the 'best cam', but the one reviewed in the link below is quite a camera.

Ordered Sony SNC-VB770 Image Sensor Size 35MM :)

Hi Guys, I wanted to share with you I will be soon getting a SNC-VB770 Possibly in a week or two. Just placed the order. Will Definitely be a while until I permanently Mount it however I will be doing some test like in low light and share some video once I get it:) Want to know your thoughts...

ipcamtalk.com

 

[Funkyduck]

Your asking a very broad question with no parameters or details. You want the best Hikvision 8mp bullet camera? Here ya go.

8 MP Outdoor Varifocal Bullet Network Camera

The Hikvision DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS DeepinView Outdoor Varifocal Bullet Network Camera includes deep learning technology for human, vehicle, and face detection. It supports H.265+ video compression, which assures savings in bandwidth and storage.

us.hikvision.com

is that the same as this one?: DS-2CD2685FWD-IZS

 

[chaosengine]

No, it has a smaller sensor and is less light sensitive:
Image Sensor 1/2.5"
Color: 0.01 Lux @ (F1.2, AGC ON), 0 Lux with IR
Color: 0.014 Lux @ (F1.4, AGC ON), 0 Lux with IR

 

[Funkyduck]

Well I don't know if it is the 'best cam', but the one reviewed in the link below is quite a camera.

Ordered Sony SNC-VB770 Image Sensor Size 35MM :)

Hi Guys, I wanted to share with you I will be soon getting a SNC-VB770 Possibly in a week or two. Just placed the order. Will Definitely be a while until I permanently Mount it however I will be doing some test like in low light and share some video once I get it:) Want to know your thoughts...

ipcamtalk.com

I think this one can not be used outside in the rain

 

[samplenhold]

I think this one can not be used outside in the rain

You get a housing for it. See the last pages of the review.

 

[chaosengine]

Lens and housing is separate to buy but first you need win a lottery to buy the camera.

 

[Funkyduck]

For 8MP hikvision bullet cams, I can find these cams, but I find it hard to say, what the differences are. Also I don't know if Hikvision is the best. (For payable price)

DS-2CD2T85FWD-I8
DS-2CD2085G1-I
DS-2CD2685FWD-IZS
DS-2CD2T85G1-I5

 

[chaosengine]

Study data sheets of all posted models and make a table/sheet with all features for your use case (watching birds). When this would be my use case, I would look for this:

DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS
Image Sensor: 1/1.8"
Minimum Illumination Color: 0.007 lux @ (f/1.2, AGC on)
FOV: 2.8 to 12 mm, horizontal FOV 112.4° to 41°, vertical FOV 58° to 23°
Main Stream: 30 fps (3840 × 2160, 3200 × 1800, 2560 × 1440, 1920 × 1080, 1280 × 720)

DS-2CD2T85FWD-I8
Image Sensor: 1/2.5"
Min. Illumination Color: 0.01 Lux @(F1.2; AGC ON)
FOV: 2.8 mm, horizontal field of view: 102°...
Main Stream 50Hz: 20 fps (3840 × 2160)

DS-2CD2085G1-I
Image Sensor: 1/2"
Min. Illumination Color: 0.008 Lux @ (F1.2, AGC ON)
FOV: 2.8 mm, horizontal field of view: 102°...
Main Stream 50Hz: 20 fps (3840 × 2160)

DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS and DS-2CD2085G1-I are pretty close, both have a nice large sensor to provide you a good picture but DS-2CD2085G1-I can do only 20 fps @ 4k, so the birds will look a little bit jerky while moving.

This is what you can expect from the 1/1.8" sensor of DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS, IPC-HFW7842HP-Z or IPC-HFW5842H-ZHE:



This one is also nice but have been declared "End of Life" by manufacturer: IPC-HFW2831T-ZS.

 

[Funkyduck]

Study data sheets of all posted models and make a table/sheet with all features for your use case (watching birds). When this would be my use case, I would look for this:

DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS
Image Sensor: 1/1.8"
Minimum Illumination Color: 0.007 lux @ (f/1.2, AGC on)
FOV: 2.8 to 12 mm, horizontal FOV 112.4° to 41°, vertical FOV 58° to 23°
Main Stream: 30 fps (3840 × 2160, 3200 × 1800, 2560 × 1440, 1920 × 1080, 1280 × 720)
This one I can not find on Ali, but I can find this one: DS-2CD2685FWD-IZS. But I can not find out if this one also is 30fps and have no idea about sensor and such

DS-2CD2T85FWD-I8
Image Sensor: 1/2.5"
Min. Illumination Color: 0.01 Lux @(F1.2; AGC ON)
FOV: 2.8 mm, horizontal field of view: 102°...
Main Stream 50Hz: 20 fps (3840 × 2160)

DS-2CD2085G1-I
Image Sensor: 1/2"
Min. Illumination Color: 0.008 Lux @ (F1.2, AGC ON)
FOV: 2.8 mm, horizontal field of view: 102°...
Main Stream 50Hz: 20 fps (3840 × 2160)

DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS and DS-2CD2085G1-I are pretty close, both have a nice large sensor to provide you a good picture but DS-2CD2085G1-I can do only 20 fps @ 4k, so the birds will look a little bit jerky while moving.
That is a thing I did not know it is important to have more fps. How much do you need?

This is what you can expect from the 1/1.8" sensor of DS-2CD7A85G0-IZHS, IPC-HFW7842HP-Z or IPC-HFW5842H-ZHE:
That look really nice I think, although it is close to the cam without really distance.

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This one is also nice but have been declared "End of Life" by manufacturer: IPC-HFW2831T-ZS.
This is a Dalua. You have experience with it? It is still available on Ali:

https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_d7r5eFF

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[chaosengine]

3 wildlife clips from today - see also the video in 1st post.

 

[Funkyduck]

3 wildlife clips from today - see also the video in 1st post.

Thank you, but I don't want a camera so close to a feeder place, but on a big garden with a very big pond, where waterbirds come.

 

[chaosengine]

Probably a PTZ with a high zoom level is better for this. Without zoom or even the 4x zoom bullet cameras usually have, you'll get no details of the birds if not mounted very close to them:

 

[Funkyduck]

Probably a PTZ with a high zoom level is better for this. Without zoom or even the 4x zoom bullet cameras usually have, you'll get no details of the birds if not mounted very close to them:

That looks nice! Can you zoom with surveillance station? Is this better than hikvision versions?
Via Ali almost 700 euro

782.0US $ |Dahua Originele 4mp PTZ AI Camera POE + SD5A445XA HNR IR150M IP67 IK10 Starlight Dome Camera DH SD12203T GN|Beveiligingscamera´s| - AliExpress

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[chaosengine]

There are also models with 1/1.8" sensor and 4k@25-30 fps available.

Surveillance station compatiblity list: Surveillance Station IP Camera Support List | Synology Inc.

Sooner or later you'll find out that paying per camera, limited hardware and compatibility is not a good choice. That's why most here use Blue Iris for watching and recording video.

 

[Funkyduck]

There also models with 1/1.8" sensor and 4k@25-30 fps.

Surveillance station compatiblity list: Surveillance Station IP Camera Support List | Synology Inc.

Sooner or later you'll find out that paying per camera, limited hardware and compatibility is not a good choice. That's why most here use Blue Iris for watching and recording video.

I especially bought a expansive Synology server for this. I am afraid blue iris won’t work on that.

so as long as I find a camera with 1/1.8" sensor and 4k@25-30 fps. I am a bit save?

 

[chaosengine]

No, you have to stick with models in their list or contact Synology support for compatiblity first.