blue iris main benefits over current model NVR?

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  1. clean

    clean Young grasshopper

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    Hey guys,

    putting together a new system, and leaning towards going the PC / blue iris route from all the recommendations on the forum.

    What are the main benefits over a current generation dahua NVR? I will only have 4 video feeds so dont know if ill need the extra processing power of a PC. also the NVR option is much cheaper as it already has the POE to power the cameras.

    blue iris pc $275
    poe switch $125
    blue iris software $50

    total $450 vs $145 for the NVR

    is the extra cost worth it? especially for someone who isn't a power user, but just wants reliable motion/trip wire.

    TIA for any input.
     
  2. fenderman

    fenderman Staff Member

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    This has been discussed to death in many threads. Depending on the cams, you can very likely use a 100 dollar pc. A poe switch is 40-60 bux. So the math is wrong.
    My suggestion to everyone who has seen BI and not convinced, is to get an NVR. Use it. When you throw it against the wall, move to BI. You will appreciate it more.
     
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  3. clean

    clean Young grasshopper

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    ok, thanks @fenderman. up here in Canada those are the prices unfortunately.
     
  4. Dasstrum

    Dasstrum IPCT Contributor

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    Your not looking hard enough then

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  5. clean

    clean Young grasshopper

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    I would prefer to buy the PC with an OS ($225-275 12% tax up here), the poe switch would be nice to have an 8 port with 2 uplink (125$). by the time the smoke clears it would be close to 450.
     
  6. fenderman

    fenderman Staff Member

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    Nope. Please read the posts about pc's. This pc for example says no OS, but you can clearly see the windows pro stick for w10. That means w10 will load on it. No problem.
    HP EliteDesk 600 G1 SFF i5-4590 @ 3.30 GHz 4GB RAM 250GB HDD | eBay
    Only god knows why you need 2 uplink. Do you even know what that means?
    regardless, one of the switches he mentioned have "two uplink".
    Please do yourself a favor and buy the NVR. Otherwise you will always say what if. This way you will learn the hard way, but it will stick.
     
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    Dasstrum IPCT Contributor

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    I'm with Fenderman on this one. Get an NVR.

    If your not willing to take the advise given then why ask the questions in the first place? You clearly were shown in 10 seconds of searching we both found computers more than capable of what you need that were nowhere close to 225-275CA.

    Then you say you only need 4 cameras and where shown options for a cheaper 4 port switch with even 2 up links, then you say you need 8 ports?

    Where exactly are you looking at buying your equipment from?
     
  8. clean

    clean Young grasshopper

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    Chill guys,

    The reason I said 8 was just in case I ever ended up needing to add another camera. two up-link - one to router and one to PC .

    @fenderman if you look close that sticker is for windows 8, but still W10 would no doubt probably work - but what does windows 10 cost? that PC is $168.91 CAD with no OS and duty fees once it enters Canada.

    https://www.amazon.ca/BV-Tech-Gigab...1549130979&sr=8-15&keywords=8+port+poe+switch

    HP Elitedesk 800 G1 SFF i5 4590 3.3ghz 8GB 1tb Win 10 Pro 1yr Wty Cert Refurbish | eBay my bad 218$
     
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    Like anything, you get what you pay for and this is true with any camera or recorder.

    You will be happy with Blue Iris, but if your worried about cost and dont mind limited features, a cheap nvr might be all your need
     
  11. clean

    clean Young grasshopper

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    thanks @Dasstrum that looks like a good deal. maybe a little slower and no windows 10 but probably a few bucks to be saved there. thanks for the heads up on being able to use one of the POE ports.
     
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    I personally have used i5-3470 in about 10 installs now and it works perfectly fine.

    Most builds are 4mp 1440p cams @ 15fps.

    4 of those cameras @ 240MP/sec total run that processor at like 20%
     
  13. fenderman

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    again you post 218, when the link I sent you was 128 OR BEST OFFER and will work. Its is clear you dont want to use a vms. BUY THE NVR ALREADY.
     
  14. clean

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    your link was 128 usd = 168.91 CAD as I stated above + duty fees. up here in Canada anything over 20$ coming into the country gets nailed. its much better to buy within the country, that's why for $218 you get a powerful machine ready to go with warranty and windows 10.
     
  15. fenderman

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    you are 100 percent correct. Get the NVR already. You are also correct in the ebay is the only resource in canada for used pc's. Its all good. An NVR is best for you. Its the perfect learning tool. Warranty from an ebay seller, dont make me laugh.
     
  16. clean

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    They are Microsoft authorized, and can be trusted :p
     
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    certainly. Never had to use hp warranty on over 100 machines...totally worth it to pay 25 percent more for it:rolleyes:..its irrelevant get the nvr. Please.
     
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    As I've said a few times, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him take a bath.
     
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    TheDank Getting the hang of it

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    Hi @clean, here's a little more advice about the POE switch. I agree that 8 is the right number of POE ports even if you're planning on 4 cameras. As I think @awsum140 often says, these cameras are like crack, you'll get addicted and want more. :)

    But what I really wanted to comment on is the "one to router" part. You actually don't want to do that, it's better to keep your camera network isolated from the rest of your network. Connect one ethernet port of your PC to your internal network and connect the other to your POE switch. If your PC only has one ethernet port you should be able to buy another adapter for very little.

    And then... when you're comparing costs to an NVR, remember to compare to an NVR with 8 POE camera ports (not just 8 channels, but 8 POE ports), those cost more.

    But wait, there's more... here's a comment *in favor* of 2 uplink ports. I did say that you don't want to connect your POE switch to your regular internal network. But what 2 uplink ports is useful for is when you really start expanding and you want to add yet more cameras. You can connect one of the uplink ports to another POE switch which powers another set of cameras. This was useful in my setup; I have my PC and one switch in my house, powering all the cameras attached to the outside of the house. One of my uplink ports goes down to my detached garage, which has another POE switch that powers the cameras attached to the outside of the garage.
     
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    HelloAgain Young grasshopper

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    I've tried the NVR route twice; once with Lorex and a second time with LaView. Both times I returned the NVR. NVR's are fine if you plan to stay very simple, use the same camera brand as the NVR, and plug the cameras into the NVR. For me, that wasn't the case I needed something more flexible. I wanted to use some old TrendNet and Foscam cameras that I had laying around, but the NVRs wouldn't allow me to so with full support. IE: Neither would work with the old Trendnet, and the Laview would would work with the Foscam camera, however motion detection wasn't support.

    It was all a very frustrating experience. Their hardware and feature set was very dated and tech support sucked. I downloaded BlueIris and have been very happy. It worked immediately with my old Cams as well as a Samsung GS2 phone that I installed a 'webcam' software onto for the heck of it. I love the flexibility of BI. BI is also updated far more frequently than any NVR would be.

    BI isn't perfect, the UI is a little clunky and rough in some spots, but I'm loving it so far. The people on this forum have also been amazing in supporting me as I ask my newbie questions.
     
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