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Considering Intel NUC 5 i7 (RYH) for BI Server - feedback?
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fenderman
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yes, because I was referencing YOUR setup -in your setup where you are using usb, there is no point in recording to ssd first. My point is that method is a poor choice. Please, some reading comprehension is in order.
Notice Fendermn says USB is not a good choice for recording
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See my explanation above. You are not making sense, only making a fool of yourself.
Lets just admit NUC is a good choice cause you can run OS and BI on one SSD, record on a second SSD all in the little quiet package, and then store to a big USB3 drive.
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Huh....my point is NUC is a poor choice...you simply do not know what you are talking about. Lets just admit that you are an amature and dont know what you are doing, ok?
Please do some research on this subject before you spew this nonsense...
Ive followed this whole thread and I'm also considering the NUC5i7RYH, because I am assuming if you have the latest greatest chips (5th generation Intel Processor) i7-5557U running with Intel Iris 6100 graphics, 16GB of RAM and the SATA III SSD, that it would be suffice to run at least 8 HD Hikvision cams running at ~2 Mb/s. I also like the form factor, but I understand that it has a noisy fan which I assume would be running a lot in my situation. Currently I'm running Milestone XProtect GO on my Imac i5 with bootcamp on wifi-N, and it runs fine. It does hit the 100% cpu here and there especially when I view the live smart client. Maybe the mac's are built more efficient?? IDK, I just would like to find a dedicated PC/Server to run these cams and perhaps even run my plex server on it.
Any suggestions would be great for a newer pc around/under 1k that could handle this. Thanks!
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Welcome to the forum..While the processor is 5th gen, its a U processor and therefore pretty much equivalent to a haswell i3...ram is irrelevant as well as video...
The thread was specific to blue iris which uses lots of cpu power...so the mac is not more efficient its that xprotect is very efficient...you can probably run it on an i3 haswell with no problem...as mentioned in the thread, you can easily get an dell optiplex or hp elitedesk i5 haswell system for 300 or so..not need to spend 1k..
One of the best sites to compare CPU's is Passmark's CPU Benchmark
The CPU in the NUC5i7RYH is a Core i7-5557U which scores a 4,950. Look at some of the other CPU's in that area, and you will see that an i3-4160 has a higher score!
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-5557U+@+3.10GHz&id=2502
There is a time and place for everything and unless you need an extremely small form factor - there are better options for you money...
I have had my NUC5i7RYH up and running for just over a week now and I am extremely pleased with it. Let me point out that I am not, and would not, use this for a BlueIris server. I am primarily using it as an 'all in one' pc. A NUC can be screwed on to the back of a monitor with the included bracket and with an old 500gb laptop drive along with a 256gb ssd drive - I have plenty of storage space. I can even (barely) play Battlefield 4 with it - and I do not hear any fan noise. One of the best parts, it only uses about 25 watts of power as measured by my Kill A Watt
The CPU in the NUC5i7RYH is a Core i7-5557U which scores a 4,950. Look at some of the other CPU's in that area, and you will see that an i3-4160 has a higher score!
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-5557U+@+3.10GHz&id=2502
There is a time and place for everything and unless you need an extremely small form factor - there are better options for you money...
I have had my NUC5i7RYH up and running for just over a week now and I am extremely pleased with it. Let me point out that I am not, and would not, use this for a BlueIris server. I am primarily using it as an 'all in one' pc. A NUC can be screwed on to the back of a monitor with the included bracket and with an old 500gb laptop drive along with a 256gb ssd drive - I have plenty of storage space. I can even (barely) play Battlefield 4 with it - and I do not hear any fan noise. One of the best parts, it only uses about 25 watts of power as measured by my Kill A Watt
From what Im reading here it sounds like BI is a CPU hog! ha! Like I said I'm using Milestone and apparently its a lot more efficient. I'm looking at the benchmark scores now! Im currently using a imac and it has a 4800 rating and its running Milestone and my plex fine with no issues, although its runs 80-100% cpu. Just looking to get a dedicated machine that is faster and more efficient than this iMac, and in a smaller form factor (and with hdmi out!). The NUC i7 has a slightly higher score than my iMac! I've looked at Dell, ASUS, and Alienware. Anyways, if you guys run across any deals or could suggest something, Id appreciate it! (and thanks to fenderman for the optiplex suggestions, I appreciate it). Thanks again for all the good feedback!
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Consider something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-EliteDes...509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea05632ad
Low power S processors and very powerful and cheap..this thing idles at about 15w...300 bux..cant complain..onsite warranty till 2017..not this USDT form factor only has a single 2.5 in drive slot...the SFF has more room..
As far a BI being a cpu hog, yes it is, but it offers more functionality and options than milestone essentials and is only 60 dollars total, not 50 dollars per camera, you seem to be running the free go version and if the limitations of the free version dont bother you then by all means stick with it.....Also milestone should not be consuming that much cpu on your system..what model i5? Are you running parallels?
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The NUC works, latest version of BI runs really nice and advice given against the NUC for BI might be because folks are basing these opinions on experiences with versions 2 or 3. Also Fenderman, thought very knowledgeable, likes recommending used hardware (not a fair comparision), and I don't think appreciates the NUC design, which is quiet, small and allows for two drives to be installed inside it. The NUC is no doubt a great design.
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Its a one month "used" at most and most of the time its used for a day and then returned. ..with a three year next business day warranty. Please understand that the last poster is not using Blue iris and therefore requires different specs . Also your experience with blue iris is limited to using 8 vga cameras..please come back when you test blue iris with 8 3mp cameras and tell us how it works out on your NUC...as I have stated many times before, two SSD drives is a complete waste of money in blue iris pc...
The only reason to not wanting dell refurbished system that is being a snob....it has a three year next business day warranty!
Also if you dont mind consumer grades systems (i guess not because that is what the nuc is) then you can buy NEW systems for WAY less than the nuc...
fyi, the dell micro systems are actually thinner than the nuc...and slightly bigger in height an width.....I dont see the appeal if being able to put your NVR in your pocket..
You just don't get it, lol
I can use a Corvette or Porsche to pull a horse trailer - but why would I?
I'm curious just how loud one of those high end NUCs is under constant heavy CPU load. There is no denying it is an attractive design. The only problem is it can't compete in cost-effectiveness versus a used or refurbished i5 machine.
Just for fun, lets compare the last ebay machine fenderman linked with a broadwell i7 NUC + comparable hard drive and memory and windows OS.
[table="width: 600, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]i7 NUC[/td]
[td]HP Elitedesk 800 G1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CPU Score[/td]
[td]4901[/td]
[td]6678 (36% faster)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CPU Power Consumption[/td]
[td]<= 28 watts[/td]
[td]<= 65 watts[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Warranty[/td]
[td]NUC: 3yr
HDD: 2yr
RAM: lifetime[/td]
[td]Complete system: ~20 months[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Physical Size[/td]
[td]NUC size[/td]
[td]Approximately 4x NUC size[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Price[/td]
[td]$631 (103% higher)[/td]
[td]$310[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Just for fun, lets compare the last ebay machine fenderman linked with a broadwell i7 NUC + comparable hard drive and memory and windows OS.
[table="width: 600, class: grid"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]i7 NUC[/td]
[td]HP Elitedesk 800 G1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CPU Score[/td]
[td]4901[/td]
[td]6678 (36% faster)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]CPU Power Consumption[/td]
[td]<= 28 watts[/td]
[td]<= 65 watts[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Warranty[/td]
[td]NUC: 3yr
HDD: 2yr
RAM: lifetime[/td]
[td]Complete system: ~20 months[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Physical Size[/td]
[td]NUC size[/td]
[td]Approximately 4x NUC size[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Price[/td]
[td]$631 (103% higher)[/td]
[td]$310[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
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To add to what bp2008 said, the S processors in the usdt elitedesk idles at 15w and bumps to 35 or so under 50 percent loand.....if you want less power consumption the dell micros use T processors that max out in the low thirty's...dell outlet deals will come with full three year NBD warranties and top notch support. The micros are also very close to nuc size and are in fact thinner than some nuc's..
thnks for the laughs, I wouldn't pull a trailer with either unit that have been recommended. It all depends on the implementation, and tast. NUC is superior design, one benchmark that doesn't benchmark BI isn't the rite benchmark. I like the NUC and its new, not used.
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We have benchmarked BI....its called experience...your current nuc would choke if you had 3mp HD cameras...and the nuc your recommend would choke as well. I find it almost laughable that you keep calling these machines used as a derogatory term. Please tell me whats wrong with a used machine. Whats sad is that you spend all this money on an expensive NUC...but use cheap vga cameras....it should be the other way around...
EDIT: over the past 3 years I must have placed 60 "used" machines into service. All running smoothly except one consumer grade lenovo laptop that was running 24/7...NEVER had an issue with a desktop machine...40 of them run 24/7/.....20+ under load from blue iris. ZERO problems....Ive had more issues with "new" machines...