What is your camera's model No.?I upgraded one of my cameras from V2.800.0000008.0.R to V2.800.0000016.0.R.
Factory reset to defaults before the upgrade and upgraded from camera interface. It didn't go well and it wouldn't recover via TFTP, but I was successful via the serial connection.
I tried an older camera that complains that it has the wrong firmware loaded on boot (which it doesn't) and that one would not take v16.
IPC-HDW5231R-ZWhat is your camera's model No.?
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You could try resetting the cam to defaults on one cam to see if it stops the reboots?
Hi Andy we upgraded some IPC-HFW5831E-ZE Cameras with this 2.800.0000016.0.R – 2020-06-05 Firmware and since then they all keep rebooting themselves every 24 to 48 hours – why do the cameras keep automatically rebooting themselves since the upgrade?
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How do we stop the auto rebooting?
Before the firmware upgrade the cameras used to run non-stop for a year without a single reboot happening or being needed.
We checked but System > Auto Maintain > Auto Reboot is NOT enabled – sadly it is not that simple.
Noticed some new functions in this firmware: -
Setting > Video > Stream Smooth – sounds useful is there any more information?
Network > Auto Register – register automatically to what network?
System > Safety > System service – seems new or significantly expanded
System > Safety > Firewall – seems new
System > Safety > HTTPS - there seems to be a lot more on HTTPS tab as well
Auto Maintain > Auto Delete Old Files – very intriguing – does it mean user files? Images and Video? Old configuration files? Or something more like TRIM/Garbage collection on an SSD – meaning it runs TRIM on the camera SD card OR the cameras internal ROM or perhaps RAM memory?
Version > Security Baseline now reads 2.0 – instead of 1.something
All seems like progress – but how to stop the rebooting?
Regards.
Do you have any other cams on the network? Maybe in onvif profile.
I had an NVR on 3.26 firmware. When it was updated to V4 firmware the Axis onvif cameras caused all kinds of problems across all the connected cameras.
Maybe connect 1 camera at a time and leave it for a day before connecting the next one to see when the issue starts happening.
Thanks for that pc750 but....
All the Cameras on that network are the same model of Dahua camera and unfortunately they are all on the same latest Andy (EMPIRETECANDY) supplied firmware that started the self-rebooting cameras problem.
The unwanted camera self-reboots happen every 30 to 32 hours - you can temporarily hide the camera self-rebooting problem by factory defaulting the cameras - the reason why we factory defaulted the cameras three times in a row is the first two times the default procedure behaved differently BUT the third default behaved the same as the second so we conclude that there is no point in a fourth factory default.
However as it turns out if you interrupt power to the cameras running this problem firmware then they go back to rebooting themselves every 30 hours or so - which is no good at all and even worse when there is a power cut which will bring the unwanted self-rebooting camera problem back yet again - even after you have wasted time defaulting and reprogramming to hide the self-reboot problem.
A further problem that this faulty self-rebooting camera firmware is causing being that the criminals and trouble makers in the area have noticed the IR lights on the cameras are (unusually) coming on at night (following a night time self-reboot) and staying on till daybreak - when the cameras normally do not have IR lit up at night - because with WDR enabled the background light level and Streetlights are enough light for full colour video all night long - a couple of days ago several hoodlums appeared thinking their luck was in because one camera outside had IR on and an adjacent camera simultaneously had IR lights off so the hooligans began to arm themselves to demolish the camera with no IR thinking it was faulty/dead/blind without IR but eventually the adjacent camera self-rebooted just in time so the mob of troublemakers went away.
Dahua should remember these cameras are security devices - not just toys - to deter criminals - when a firmware screw up like this visibly alters a security cameras behaviour there can be serious negative consequences.
This is the first unsuccessful firmware upgrade we have encountered - we urgently need a solution to this problem so we hope Andy quickly comes through with a solution from his Dahua contacts.
PS:- Just noticed that you have a very similar 8MP camera to me pc750 - have you checked for any little 2 minute or so gaps in the timeline of constant recording due to self rebooting? and usaf_pride had a camera that kept rebooting just after an upgrade to this firmware
This firmware can suit the original english models without problems, make sure you are using the original English updatable models.
Any firmware updating will have risk to brick the camera, not just wrong fw, but also unstable network and bad power. This is the last firmware version of this series if there is no big bugs/security probelm.
Here is the latest new firmware for these models
This new firmware is a important update, Please try to update asap.
obsolescence conspiracy on Dahua's part
I have a different take on the bug issue, The camera firmware is full of bugs, the NVR firmware is full of bugs, and smartPss is full of bugs. I wish it weren't so, and I've lost many hours because of it. It's pretty clear to me that Dahua prioritizes adding new features over stability. My career was in high tech R&D and I grudgingly had to cope with this system that forces the customers to be beta testers. If the company sends something out too early with too many bugs, the customers get mad and leave. Hold on to it for too long to get all the bugs out and a competitor beats you with new features and your customers leave. A catch-22 situation.
On the other hand, these are complex feature-laden devices that are incredible bargains for what they do. I'm so far willing to live with the bugs so long as I can work around them, which I've for the most part been able to do. I've rolled back camera firmware, with its associated risk, lots of times. I don't upgrade if what I currently have does what I need it to. When I do upgrade, I do it on only one camera and wait a week or two before doing the rest of the same model. Risk reduction.
On the reboot problem, I'd guess that odds-are it's a firmware issue, but there are other possibilities. One that I've run into is the switch shutting down a port over a power issue. It's possible a new firmware version could cause a camera to draw more power. If the switch total power budget is exceeded it could shut down a port. Just throwing this out as an example since I know nothing about somebody else's network.
I have empathy for anybody who ends up with a bricked device. It should not happen. I've had a couple of cameras die, not from a firmware upgrade, just from random hardware failures. My attitude is that I expect a camera to last on average 4 or 5 years. So far I'm beating that. I don't sense any obsolescence conspiracy on Dahua's part. I just see normal high-tech big corporation behavior. I don't like it, but it is what it is.
All 6 of my 5231-ze cams which Andy supplied are running on this firmware, I think I had problems with 2 but this was related to the substream that was previously enabled being disabled.
Upgrading firmware is and will always be a risk, so I accept the risks so only normally update 1 cam and then leave it running for a couple of days to see if there are any issues.
The general advice here is to only upgrade if you have an issue which the firmware fixes.
Here is the latest new firmware for these models
This new firmware is a important update, Please try to update asap.
Models support.
IPC-HDW5231R-Z/ZE
IPC-HFW5231E-Z/Z5/Z12/ZE/Z5E/Z12E
IPC-HDBW5231R-Z/ZE
IPC-HDBW5231E-Z/ZE
IPC-HDW4231EM-AS/ASE, IPC-HDBW4231F-AS, IPC-HDBW4231E-AS/ASE , IPC-HFW4231S,IPC-HFW4231E-S/SE.
IPC-HDBW4431F-AS
IPC-HDW4XXX-ASE
IPC-HDW5XX-ZE
IPC-HFW5XXX-ZE, IPC-HFW5231E-Z12E, IPC-HFW5231E-Z5E
IPC-HFW4239T-ASE
IPC-HDBW4239R-ASE
IPC-HFW4239T-ASE
IPC-HDW5831R-ZE
IPC-HDW5631R-ZE
Download Link
Please try to upgrade asap.
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Hey mate,All 6 of my 5231-ze cams which Andy supplied are running on this firmware, I think I had problems with 2 but this was related to the substream that was previously enabled being disabled.
Upgrading firmware is and will always be a risk, so I accept the risks so only normally update 1 cam and then leave it running for a couple of days to see if there are any issues.
The general advice here is to only upgrade if you have an issue which the firmware fixes.
Right now just use back old firmware and check if this still happen.Unfortunately it is definitely the new camera Firmware causing the uncontrollable camera reboot problem...............
Tigerwillow1 – I just wish I had your phenomenal patience to just accept so many different bugs so visible to the end user across so many different devices.
Dahua hardware is ripe to be taken opensource with opensource firmware that kicks out the Dahua firmware from the Cameras and NVR’s – eventually somebody will get so annoyed with Dahua they will opensource their Cameras etc. – probably why Dahua is trying to security harden their Firmware not so much to improve end user security but to prevent opensource firmware taking over!
Bugs that are manufacturer introduced with the suggestion “This new firmware is a important update, Please try to update asap.”
New bugs from updates suggested in that manner that then cause regular camera reboots Tortuously would be called Recklessly Negligent - as would being caught NOT upgrading the camera re un-patched security holes that cause other security problems.
If one of those cameras with the new faulty firmware that is uncontrollably resetting itself for the hundredth time while a criminal act is perpetrated which the camera fails to capture due to rebooting - then legally everyone will be entering a world of pain.
No links forthcoming re to roll back camera firmware? Has anyone successfully rolled back from a firmware that is “Security Baseline Level 2.0”? What is the most recent generation of firmware you have rolled back from in a camera?
Risk mitigation – absolutely – we did install the new firmware initially on only one camera - saw a great improvement left it for a couple of weeks – still all good – so we rolled it out to more cameras – we only experienced the uncontrollable camera resetting bug after a planned power down to move a PoE+ network switch to a new rack location (in the same rack) then we noticed a couple of weeks later the uncontrollable camera resets – we are absolutely furious at being caught out in this way with the new faulty Dahua camera firmware from Andy.
Andy who having caused the problem chimes in after 2 and a half months of inexplicable silence on the problem saying no more firmware updates for this generation of cameras – that is not the way to win friends and influence people Andy.
It is almost like the fault in this firmware was designed not to appear at first only later once it had been rolled out – what a sales driver for the next generation of cameras this faulty firmware update is!
We wish it was as simple as the PoE+ network switch – but unfortunately it is happening on several cameras – the fully Managed PoE+ switch has hundreds of watts of spare PoE+ capacity available globally and per port none are reading higher than 5 Watts or so of PoE power draw per camera with 30 something Watts of PoE+ power available per port.
Oh how we wish it was as simple as the network switch - and there is nothing in the switch logs either (meaning power is constantly available to the cameras – creating a Power fault by unplugging a PoE network cable automatically gets logged by the Switch – we tried that out to prove what would happen / get logged) – we did try another even bigger PoE+ switch but still the uncontrollable camera rebooting problem continued on all of the several affected cameras.
It all runs on a UPS with a couple of hours battery runtime capacity at normal operating load – nothing in those UPS logs either.
I admire your ability to accept your cameras just randomly dying on you due to hardware failure – from that I assume you were formerly a Software (?) Research and Development not Hardware (?) R and D – as most of the Hardware R&D boffins that I know would have pounced on the cameras with hardware failure and made them work once more – or were they cheap low resolution cameras only 1 or 2 megapixel? So, it did not really matter?
Annoyingly the Firmware Update affected uncontrollably rebooting 5831 cameras are 8 Megapixel WDR models - so not exactly throw away items - as you imply your dead cameras were (?) – and nowhere near their point of obsolescence.
Re your obsolescence conspiracy comment – that is just it we have not come anywhere near the point of obsolescence – instead thanks to Dahua’s faulty camera vandalising firmware update they are being made unstable/unusable by the uncontrollable camera resets – which coincidentally happen to encourage the purchase of the next generation Dahua cameras by having created a resetting fault on several current generation Dahua cameras – that is not obsolescence by any stretch of the imagination. That is a new problem introduced by updated firmware that suspiciously only appeared after a long delay.
Perhaps your six 5231’s are not affected by uncontrollable reboots due to the different resolution compared to a 5831? How old are your 5231’s?
The new variable in all of this is Coronavirus causing economic upset across many industry sectors including the electronic security sector.
So as everyone’s Security Camera sales are down the temptation is perhaps to encourage people to buy the next generation of cameras by damaging their current cameras with faulty firmware that introduces obvious bugs and bricks cameras – a very brutal way of creating sales - is that why Andy said at the beginning of this thread “This new firmware is a important update, Please try to update asap.” – Important to who? The Manufacturer to drive sales? The Reseller to drive sales? How is it important to the end user?
Come on Andy what are you going to do to fix this problem (why did you not reply on this thread for 2 And a half months?) – have you reported it all to Dahua and what has been their response?