Laptop or Desktop Pc ? to run Blue Iris?

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Yes, will let him know...
Is it the video on-board better than the that added one?

Soon , will buy one of the i7 for me also for my main one...now got the i5-4590 just to run blue iris.

Over at Google play store they have the tinycam pro for $2 for other people if want to try it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alexvas.dvr.pro&hl=en

Thank you.
The added card will be more powerful, but likely to no improve blue iris any...it will draw an extra 20-50 watts depending on load which can cost 20-100 dollars a year to run depending on your costs...it also adds heat and a point of failure.
If you are using Blue iris, get the blue iris mobile app...its 10 dollars but well worth it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blueirissoftware.blueiris&hl=en
 

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The added card will be more powerful, but likely to no improve blue iris any...it will draw an extra 20-50 watts depending on load which can cost 20-100 dollars a year to run depending on your costs...it also adds heat and a point of failure.
If you are using Blue iris, get the blue iris mobile app...its 10 dollars but well worth it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blueirissoftware.blueiris&hl=en
O okay , yes will take that video card out on my i5 unit ordered from dell.
I got the mobile app already purchased way back and had a trial of the desktop software to see how the blue iris works, so that's when
i come to the decision that i need a separate desktop just for my cam's...

Will see when that arrives , next week hope fully.

Appreciate your advice friend! and the quick reply! You are a lot on this forum (staying...) ! Also getting passionate about ip cams and how they work.



Anyway,
Regards.
 

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Okay, i got my dell today, from post #35.
Have not open the box yet, but i guess will do it in the morning.

I was thinking to or maybe add few extras,like:
Upgrade:
Win7>win10
4 gb ddr3 > 8 gb ddr3
500gb> 128ssd hard drive

Or maybe i don't need too,is good okay for the purpose of running for blue iris?

Thanks,
 

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Any idea on cost versus on a standard spec desktop computer for BI versus a standard spec NVR?
I know specs can wildly range, just curious what others may have to say.
 

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Any idea on cost versus on a standard spec desktop computer for BI versus a standard spec NVR?
I know specs can wildly range, just curious what others may have to say.
A 300-500 dollar haswell i5/i7 system will cover 99 percent of setups. Folks using pc nvr do it because of the added flexibility not for cost savings.
 

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Looks like I read this topic a bit late. Did my research and realised my existing Core2Duo thinkpad will not be enough to power up 6 Hikvision cameras. So bought another used 3rd gen i5 thinkpad ( 2.6 Ghz processor and it is dual core). But taken Blue Iris minimum specs is a dual core 2.0 Pentium, I thought it will work fine. Reason was Laptop has battery backup and after you put POE over UPS, you have additional battery backup for 30 minutes at least.

Now, when I am testing, laptop is always on 80-90% CPU with continuous recording with trigger. motion detection takes a lot of CPU. Disabling motion detection, the CPU sits at 50-60 %.
5 Cameras I am using are: DS-2CD2342WD-I . One more which I have not connected atm is 2CD3325. I changed the settings on camera:
1. Resolution down to 1920* 1080 p
2. FPS down to 12
Rest all standard.
On Blue IRIS:
1. continuous recording direct to disk.
2. hardware decoding to default
3. no date time stamp to reduce encoding by blue iris.

I wonder how come the Hikvision NVR with less processor power can support 8 or even 16 cameras where as a 3rd gen i5 laptop cant.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
 
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Looks like I read this topic a bit late. Did my research and realised my existing Core2Duo thinkpad will not be enough to power up 6 Hikvision cameras. So bought another used 3rd gen i5 thinkpad ( 2.6 Ghz processor and it is dual core). But taken Blue Iris minimum specs is a dual core 2.0 Pentium, I thought it will work fine. Reason was Laptop has battery backup and after you put POE over UPS, you have additional battery backup for 30 minutes at least.

Now, when I am testing, laptop is always on 80-90% CPU with continuous recording with trigger. motion detection takes a lot of CPU. Disabling motion detection, the CPU sits at 50-60 %.
Cameras are: DS-2CD2342WD-I . I changed the settings on camera:
1. Resolution down to 1920* 1080 p
2. FPS down to 12
Rest all standard.
On Blue IRIS:
1. continuous recording direct to disk.
2. hardware decoding to default
3. no date time stamp to reduce encoding by blue iris.

I wonder how come the Hikvision NVR with less processor power can support 8 or even 16 cameras where as a 3rd gen i5 laptop cant.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
see your other post...
 

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2 Years and 9 months later , finally my Dell Optiplex 9020 , 1 x 4gb memory stick went out/bad!
Had 2 sticks of 4gb each, so i upgraded with 3 x 4gb , and now have 16gb of ram.

Computer started shutting down and re-start it self. Now, all good. $115 later, well worth it. :);)

I only run the Blue iris Security system on this desktop and ip camera software related.
 

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Hi ipcamtalk community,

Thank you for your information about assets and liabilities of different processors for laptops and desktops to use for camera surveillance on this thread:

Laptop or Desktop Pc ? to run Blue Iris?

I ordered 2 Dahua IPC-HFW8232E-Z 2MP Starlight IR Bullet Network Camera IPC-HFW8232E-Z cameras, and I have a standard power laptop with an i7-2630QM (Sandy Bridge quadcore, 2nd generation). I'd like to be able to run Blue Iris on Windows 7 on it for surveillance of the two cameras.

I tried to check on the above processor in the following link you provided but couldn't locate it there:

PassMark CPU Benchmarks - Low End CPUs

I did find the specs about it here:

Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 2.90 GHz) Product Specifications

But it's unclear if the specs will be adequate to accommodate recording and monitoring of the above two cameras.

I already have an Asus laptop with the i7-2630QM processor in it, so it saves me money to use it. It has 16 Gigs of RAM. It also has graphics with quicksync that is desirable. However, I know you mentioned that most laptops have low power processors and are therefore undesirable, but is the above laptop adequate
to be able to record onto a 2TB WD purple HD drive installed in the machine that will always be on?

Thank you in advance.
Lee
 

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DON'T use laptops for 24/7 applications...

1. Laptops are made for portability, not for acting as a server.
2. The battery is not made for continuous power (ok, you could take the battery out) but still.
3. They run quite hot when running 24/7, and will not serve you long. They suck in dust much more than a normal PC. Overheating, display failing etc etc.

What if the system overheats due to dust? Opening a running PC is no problem. Opening a running Laptop is.. Try to dust out a running laptop vs a running PC ;)

There are many more reasons why, but i recommend to just buy a refurbished or second hand SFF (Small Form Factor) system from Dell or HP ProDesk / EliteDesk with a i7 or i5 CPU in it.
 
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Skylake,
Thank you for your thoughts! It seems most see laptops as a liability in many ways.

What do you think of these?

Refurbished: DELL Desktop Computer OptiPlex 7020 Small Form Factor Intel Core i7 4th Gen 4790 (3.6 GHz) 8GB Memory 500 GB Hard Drive Windows 7 Professional 64bit

(1)
$388.00
$44.76 Shipping


Refurbished: Refurbished Dell OptiPlex 7020 Small Form Factor Intel Core i5 4570 3.20 GHz / 8 GB DDR3 / 500GB HDD / DVD / WIFI / HDMI Cable / Bluetooth 4.0 / Windows 10 Professional 64 Bits / 1 Year Warranty

$281.99
$1.99 Shipping


Refurbished: Refurbished Dell OptiPlex 7020 Small Form Factor Intel Core i5 4570 3.20 GHz / 16 GB DDR3 / 2TB HDD / DVD / WIFI / HDMI Cable / Bluetooth 4.0 / Windows 10 Professional 64 Bits / 1 Year Warranty

$356.71
$1.99 Shipping


Thank you,
Lee
 

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Skylake,
Thank you for your thoughts! It seems most see laptops as a liability in many ways.

What do you think of these?

Refurbished: DELL Desktop Computer OptiPlex 7020 Small Form Factor Intel Core i7 4th Gen 4790 (3.6 GHz) 8GB Memory 500 GB Hard Drive Windows 7 Professional 64bit

(1)
$388.00
$44.76 Shipping


Refurbished: Refurbished Dell OptiPlex 7020 Small Form Factor Intel Core i5 4570 3.20 GHz / 8 GB DDR3 / 500GB HDD / DVD / WIFI / HDMI Cable / Bluetooth 4.0 / Windows 10 Professional 64 Bits / 1 Year Warranty

$281.99
$1.99 Shipping


Refurbished: Refurbished Dell OptiPlex 7020 Small Form Factor Intel Core i5 4570 3.20 GHz / 16 GB DDR3 / 2TB HDD / DVD / WIFI / HDMI Cable / Bluetooth 4.0 / Windows 10 Professional 64 Bits / 1 Year Warranty

$356.71
$1.99 Shipping


Thank you,
Lee
all those systems are REALLY overpriced....an i5-forth gen should be 150-175 and I have picked up i5-6500 systems for under 200...
 

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Wow, thanks for the heads up. I looked at Dell outlet, Newegg and tigerdirect and found those that I listed.

I also want to be sure it has a 4th generation I5 or i7 and an HD graphics card that will be good as has been mentioned. Other than that, what else should I make sure is included in addition to a three year warranty?

Given that my goal is to install Blue Iris running 24/7 to monitor and record two Dahua IPC-HFW8232E-Z 2MPStarlight IR Bullet NetworkCamera IPC-HFW8232E-Z cameras.

Should I not only look at refurbished computers? Where else might I find a good i5 4th gen optiplex 7020 or other desktop for this at $150-$175?

Thanks,
Lee
 

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Wow, thanks for the heads up. I looked at Dell outlet, Newegg and tigerdirect and found those that I listed.

I also want to be sure it has a 4th generation I5 or i7 and an HD graphics card that will be good as has been mentioned. Other than that, what else should I make sure is included in addition to a three year warranty?

Given that my goal is to install Blue Iris running 24/7 to monitor and record two Dahua IPC-HFW8232E-Z 2MPStarlight IR Bullet NetworkCamera IPC-HFW8232E-Z cameras.

Should I not only look at refurbished computers? Where else might I find a good i5 4th gen optiplex 7020 or other desktop for this at $150-$175?

Thanks,
Lee
ebay...see hp prodesk and elitedesk
 

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What do you think of these?

1. HP ProDesk 600 SFF G1 Intel Quad Core I5-4570 3.2ghz 8gb RAM 500gb HDD Win 7 (refurbished)

$167
$20 shipping

HP ProDesk 600 SFF G1 Intel Quad Core I5-4570 3.2ghz 8gb RAM 500gb HDD Win 7 | eBay

2.
Lenovo ThinkCentre M93p MT i5-4570 3.4GHz 4GB 250GB HDD NO OS W062502
$149.99
Free Shipping


Lenovo ThinkCentre M93p MT i5-4570 3.4GHz 4GB 250GB HDD NO OS W062502 | eBay

3.
HP ProDesk 400 G1 SFF Intel Core i5 3.30GHz 8GB RAM 500GB HD Windows 10 Pro$

174.98

However for graphics card it says "Integrated/On-Board Graphics". Is this adequate?

HP ProDesk 400 G1 SFF Intel Core i5 3.30GHz 8GB RAM 500GB HD Windows 10 Pro | eBay

 
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