Longse LBW60S400 @ $34.80 Any Good?

[VorlonFrog]

How about a slightly-used but cosmetically perfect Foscam FI8918?

 

[Q™]

Maybe we should send all this hi-tech CanStuff to Nayr so he could occupy himself Transformerizing it into a Bennelli-M4-Semi-Auto-Death-Track-System hooked up to his home automation system...instead of picking on Klasipca.

 

[patrocle]

Found this @ $69, but i am not aware of that brand.

5.0 Megapixel 1/2.5” CMOS Sensor (Aptina MT9P006)
DONPHIA 5MP Network ip Camera 1920P Full HD 2592x1920 waterproof 2Array LED IR night vision onvif 5.0Megapixel POE ip camera

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DONPHIA-5MP-Network-ip-Camera-1920P-Full-HD-2592x1920-waterproof-2Array-LED-IR-night-vision-onvif/32573592709.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.222.lqwV9H&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_4_10057_10056_10065_10055_10067_10054_10069_301_10059_10058_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_7&btsid=e1aab2af-11f8-4f66-b7f4-c004853e3739

But not sure about the chipset Aptina MT9P006... how good is it. Also i see no power option ,if need to split things up.

 

[patrocle]

Could be the same and may even use the same firmware. I think there was a discussion on Enster cams before. Personally I prefer Longse to come out with VF and IMX178 because I like their firmware more.

So IMX178 is better than IMX322/IMX323?

 

[Q™]

Well...the AliExpress listing does say "Never used before"...and it is a 5MP camera with free 18,000 mile shipping for $69.12 total. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WRONG WITH THAT?

 

[klasipca]

1/2.5 + 5MP = crappy night vision

 

[klasipca]

So IMX178 is better than IMX322/IMX323?

In imx178 you get more pixels with large sensor hence great night image. Imx322 is good choice too but less pixels

 

[patrocle]

In imx178 you get more pixels with large sensor hence great night image. Imx322 is good choice too but less pixels

I see.

1/2.5 + 5MP = crappy night vision

So what should be better?
1/2.5
1/2.7
1/2.8
1/2.9
1/3
1/4

?

Thanks!

 

[klasipca]

None of those really for 5+ mp, the more pixels you cram the larger sensor you will want so 1/2 or larger

 

[klasipca]

Here is what happens combining too many pixels and small sensor

https://www.ipcamtalk.com/showthread.php/13034-DH-IPC-HFW4800EN-(4K-1-2-3-quot-bullet)/page2

 

[Del Boy]

In imx178 you get more pixels with large sensor hence great night image. Imx322 is good choice too but less pixels

It's not that simple or everyone would be making 1MP sensors 1/2" big and competing with Sony.

There's more to a sensor than size.

 

[Del Boy]

Here is what happens combining too many pixels and small sensor

https://www.ipcamtalk.com/showthread.php/13034-DH-IPC-HFW4800EN-(4K-1-2-3-quot-bullet)/page2

This is what happens when you try to draw a line of best fit with too few sample points.

You've just had a massive rant at nayr about him always being right in his eyes and now you sprout facts which aren't facts. Surely you can see the irony there.

IMX178 in all our experiences is better at low light, but stop making fleeting statements it's about pixel density.

@patrocle, I would recommend you get the S500 IMX178 and see if that suits your needs. Your budget stretches to it.

 

[patrocle]

@patrocle, I would recommend you get the S500 IMX178 and see if that suits your needs. Your budget stretches to it.

Got the LBW90S500 Coming from Longse, that one has the IMX178, Now if i want the
LRDC60S500 is the same specs as the LBW90S500, The also have a LBW60S500 witch same specs.

So the camera in the first post i got the price for it, notice that the $34 is for 50 pieces and up...what a bs!, but anyway here is the price for 1 cam
1pc,camera + poe+ bracket+shipping+Paypal fee=$44.8+$3.5+$2+$34+$3.4=$87.7
So for that price maybe is better to put little more and get the 5MP.

I was curios if anyone has the Longse 4K camera?

Thanks

 

[Del Boy]

Got the LBW90S500 Coming from Longse, that one has the IMX178, Now if i want the
LRDC60S500 is the same specs as the LBW90S500, The also have a LBW60S500 witch same specs.

So the camera in the first post i got the price for it, notice that the $34 is for 50 pieces and up...what a bs!, but anyway here is the price for 1 cam
1pc,camera + poe+ bracket+shipping+Paypal fee=$44.8+$3.5+$2+$34+$3.4=$87.7
So for that price maybe is better to put little more and get the 5MP.

I was curios if anyone has the Longse 4K camera?

Thanks

Stick with the IMX178. 2x IMX178 from different angles is better than 1x 4K.

I think you've turned into a kid in a sweet shop. Wait for the first sweet to arrive, you might hate it.

 

[klasipca]

This is what happens when you try to draw a line of best fit with too few sample points.

You've just had a massive rant at nayr about him always being right in his eyes and now you sprout facts which aren't facts. Surely you can see the irony there.

IMX178 in all our experiences is better at low light, but stop making fleeting statements it's about pixel density.

Seriously? With all the samples provided in that thread you can't really tell the camera has shit IQ? I know it hurts when someone points out at flaws in your favorite brand but before you start your massive rant next time go read up about sensor sizes and pixel density then come back to educate us with that we are holding it wrong.

 

[klasipca]

It's not that simple or everyone would be making 1MP sensors 1/2" big and competing with Sony.

There's more to a sensor than size.

Of course there are more factors but sensors size and pixel count are the most important ones that's why it is listed in the specs. If you look at Hikvision/Dahua they are not listing type of sensor they are using in any of their specs EXCEPT sensor size. So if I am buying one of their cams the sensor size AND pixel count are the ONLY two parameters I can make out and make a judgement on which one is better. Most people who are new to this unaware of that single important detail. They just think more pixels is better.

 

[Del Boy]

I don't have a favourite brand. I'm actually anti-Hikvision if you remember, but I still recommend them for noobs as this is the right equipment for them.

I recommend brands that are reliable and for hobbyists and tinkerers I recommend the less reliable but better value Longse and Huisun stuff, but only if they know what they are getting themselves into. There's quite a few one posters saying my Huisun doesn't work etc.

Don't take everything so personally. The reality is that Hikvision & Dahua are proven reliable and in general are plug-and-play. Longse hasn't and isn't plug-and-play, sure for me and you it's easy but not everyone is a hobbyist or maniac.

 

[klasipca]

Then what's with the "few sample points" nonsense? It's quite obvious the expected result just considering what I said above and don't take personally.

 

[Del Boy]

This has a pretty big sensor. (joke btw)

It is a small sample size, you've probably had 5 different sensors in all of your cameras. OV4689, IMX*22, IMX178, AR0330. Ok, maybe only 4.

I can't be bothered doing the maths but the HFW2100 is much better in pitch-black with the same IR as IMX178.

 

[klasipca]

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This has a pretty big sensor. (joke btw)

It is a small sample size, you've probably had 5 different sensors in all of your cameras. OV4689, IMX*22, IMX178, AR0330. Ok, maybe only 4.

I can't be bothered doing the maths but the HFW2100 is much better in pitch-black with the same IR as IMX178.

Oh mate, I've been into digital photography since early 2000s I've lost count how many cams with different sensors I've sampled since then, but I can tell you for sure it's more then your age. I am not going into deep technical discussion as there is plenty for you to google around. Just say that the sensor technology improves every year but the fact of the matter that larger sensor the better the results has always been the case. # of pixels and how fast the lens would either negatively or positively affect the sensor output. Software also matters how it handles noise, but again when you have larger sensor and acceptable # of pixels the less noise you have to deal with. Have you ever wonder why DSLR pictures are better then your regular run of the mill pocket camera or a smartphone? Anyway, lets compare apples to apples. Show me an IP camera with 1/3 sensor and 5MP (heck even try with 4MP) that will outperform 1/1.8 5MP sensor in this price range? I will buy it. Oh and before I forget, don't take it personally.