Looking for a camera security system.

The 23.63W came from my PoE switch -- it shows the current load (via a mgmt interface).

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My APC UPS also shows the total load, but since I have a bunch of other devices plugged into it (in addition to the PoE switch), I would have to unplug everything except the PoE switch to see the load.
 
aristobrat said:
The 23.63W came from my PoE switch -- it shows the current load (via a mgmt interface).

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My APC UPS also shows the total load, but since I have a bunch of other devices plugged into it (in addition to the PoE switch), I would have to unplug everything except the PoE switch to see the load.
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I see. The NVR model I will get has the PoE integrated into it (5464-16P-4KS2). So I won't have a separate switch:

NVR5416/5432/5464(-16P)-4KS2

But I think I can expect a similar power consumption to what you posted.

Did you think that your APC was too big? When I saw the weight was 60lbs a few days ago, I thought it was too big for home use. Too big and heavy, and likely immovable.

What else do you have plugged in? What range of power consumption do you see, during a day with the cameras recording?
 
I'd expect your PoE power consumption to be similar as well (keeping in mind that it goes up a bit at night when the IR lights kick on).

I don't have the 60lb APC ... I have the 20-something lb unit that you first linked to. It looks similar to the CyberPower one you linked to. The 60lb one you linked to later was different than the first one you linked to.

As for what else I have plugged into mine, it's mostly network stuff. There's another switch (non-PoE), Internet modem, router, a little Synology NAS, and a VPN-appliance that my housemate uses to connect back to his work (he works from home). Oh, and two WiFi access points.

I actually have two of these UPSs. One is for the networking gear above, and a second one is for my Blue Iris PC (which is my NVR). This pic is from when I was building everything out, so please excuse the mess. The UPS on the left shows the load of all of the networking stuff, and the UPS on the right shows the load of the BI PC.

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aristobrat said:
I'd expect your PoE power consumption to be similar as well (keeping in mind that it goes up a bit at night when the IR lights kick on).

I don't have the 60lb APC ... I have the 20-something lb unit that you first linked to. It looks similar to the CyberPower one you linked to. The 60lb one you linked to later was different than the first one you linked to.

As for what else I have plugged into mine, it's mostly network stuff. There's another switch (non-PoE), Internet modem, router, a little Synology NAS, and a VPN-appliance that my housemate uses to connect back to his work (he works from home). Oh, and two WiFi access points.

I actually have two of these UPSs. One is for the networking gear above, and a second one is for my Blue Iris PC (which is my NVR). This pic is from when I was building everything out, so please excuse the mess. The UPS on the left shows the load of all of the networking stuff, and the UPS on the right shows the load of the BI PC.

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Thanks for the post and pictures.

I see my mis-understanding about the 60 lb model. I had linked to one from refurbUPS, but that one was a 60lb. model.

This was the APC one I linked to prior, which is the 20 something lb. model, and the one you have:

https://www.amazon.com/APC-Battery-...qid=1527189953&sr=8-3&keywords=apc+1500va+ups


After reading and comparing the runtimes of both the APC and CyperPower, the CyberPower seems a little better for runtime, especially with a low load. For example, at 50 watts, it estimates 175 minutes.

CP1500AVRLCD - Intelligent LCD UPS Series - Product Details, Specs, Downloads | CyberPower

Compared to APC's 2 hours, 14 minutes:

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Yes, these are just estimates, and not necessarily real-world conditions, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

So I'll go with the CyperPower.
 
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While there are a lot of positive reviews for CyperPower, there's also too many reviews of failures within a few months, or reviews of it catching fire.

I don't see any reviews for APC catching fire.

I'll go with APC, the BX1500M.
 
nuraman00 said:
Can I set up a VLAN? It looks like I might be able to, but I am not sure, and am not sure how.
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With only 4 ethernet ports - what would you hope to achieve?

A VLAN is a mechanism for logical grouping of network ports and provision for controlling whether traffic can flow between them.
Generally there would be quite a few network ports and associated groupings involved, such as a set of cameras and an NVR, WiFi access points, PCs and laptops and gaming devices, etc.
 
alastairstevenson said:
With only 4 ethernet ports - what would you hope to achieve?

A VLAN is a mechanism for logical grouping of network ports and provision for controlling whether traffic can flow between them.
Generally there would be quite a few network ports and associated groupings involved, such as a set of cameras and an NVR, WiFi access points, PCs and laptops and gaming devices, etc.
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Thanks.

Right now, I use one network port for my desktop; one for my Tivo; and one for my Ooma VoIP. Just to give you an idea of what my current setup is.

What should I do, if the Arris cable modem and router that I have isn't good enough? Get another one, with a lot more ports?

My NVR will have 16 PoE switches built in. I'd be getting 8 cameras, connected to the NVR. If I wanted to set up a VPN, how many ports would I need on the router for the NVR and cameras?

I thought that since the NVR would have PoE switches built in, I wouldn't need ports on the router.
 
nuraman00 said:
My NVR will have 16 PoE switches built in. I'd be getting 8 cameras, connected to the NVR. If I wanted to set up a VPN, how many ports would I need on the router for the NVR and cameras?
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One, either for:
- the NVR, or;
- whatever you use as a VPN between the NVR and the rest of the local network if no such feature is available within your router.

Cheers, Steve
 
I haven't purchased my TV yet that I'll keep upstairs, for camera monitoring.

I noticed this weekend though that there's a 2018 version of the model I wanted to purchase.

Considering that I only plan to use this TV for camera monitoring (no TV service; movies; or video games), should I go with the 2017 version that I'd planned to buy, for $800, or the 2018 version for $1100?

Sony XBR49X900E vs XBR49X900F.


I've read about the differences. Some with the HDR processor, some with the placement of ports.

Sony X900F vs X900E Review - What are their differences ?
 
nuraman00 said:
Bump, thoughts on which year TV I should buy, the 2017 or the 2018?
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I would go for the 2017. But even that would be overkill..

Any tv would be fine. You only need hdmi.
 
SkyLake said:
I would go for the 2017. But even that would be overkill..

Any tv would be fine. You only need hdmi.
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Thanks. I decided on this model sometime last year after reading that it was good in particular when things are played at slower frame rates. And yes, the model is a little overkill, but still not too much, IMO.
 
aristobrat said:
I'd expect your PoE power consumption to be similar as well (keeping in mind that it goes up a bit at night when the IR lights kick on).

I don't have the 60lb APC ... I have the 20-something lb unit that you first linked to. It looks similar to the CyberPower one you linked to. The 60lb one you linked to later was different than the first one you linked to.

As for what else I have plugged into mine, it's mostly network stuff. There's another switch (non-PoE), Internet modem, router, a little Synology NAS, and a VPN-appliance that my housemate uses to connect back to his work (he works from home). Oh, and two WiFi access points.

I actually have two of these UPSs. One is for the networking gear above, and a second one is for my Blue Iris PC (which is my NVR). This pic is from when I was building everything out, so please excuse the mess. The UPS on the left shows the load of all of the networking stuff, and the UPS on the right shows the load of the BI PC.

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Back to the discussion of what I should plug into my APC uninterrupted power supply:

Here's what I'm thinking:

Should connect:

* NVR 5416-16P-4KS2: ~ 17 - 23 Watts
* Asus AC2900 Router: ??? Watts
* TP-Link 7620 Modem: ??? Watts

Nice to have:

* Ooma Telo VoIP device: ??? Watts
* Uniden landline phone: ??? Watts
* Tivo Premiere XL4 DVR: ~ 23 - 26 Watts

Nice, but not necessary:

* Plasma TV: 436 Watts when in use, 0.2 Watts in standby. This would be nice, but if I were to use it during a power outage, it would use 1/2 the load by itself. I can wait until the power's back on.

* Desktop PC: I used this power supply calculator:

Power Supply Calculator - PSU Calculator | OuterVision

It estimated my PC would use about 305 Watts of power. That's too much. If anything, I should have a dedicated APC BX1500M for it.


So right now I'm thinking I should connect the NVR, router, and modem. I don't think the Ooma Telo and landline phone consume much power, so probably those too.

Then, for the Tivo, see what the total is for the other devices without it. If it's low enough, then add it. Otherwise, don't, or wait until I get a 2nd APC.

Thoughts on this? Any comments or suggestions?
 
Each situation is different. For me, keeping the network up and running (one of the folks in the house works from home) is the #1 priority, so I have a UPS for just the essential networking stuff (modem, router, separate WiFi access points, etc). I have a second UPS for the computer running Blue Iris and the PoE network switch, which powers the cameras. My TiVo is in a different room where I have it plugged into a third (and smaller 650) UPS.

nuraman00 said:
So right now I'm thinking I should connect the NVR, router, and modem. I don't think the Ooma Telo and landline phone consume much power, so probably those too.

Then, for the Tivo, see what the total is for the other devices without it. If it's low enough, then add it. Otherwise, don't, or wait until I get a 2nd APC.
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If I were in your situation, that's exactly how I would do it.
 
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aristobrat said:
Each situation is different. For me, keeping the network up and running (one of the folks in the house works from home) is the #1 priority, so I have a UPS for just the essential networking stuff (modem, router, separate WiFi access points, etc). I have a second UPS for the computer running Blue Iris and the PoE network switch, which powers the cameras. My TiVo is in a different room where I have it plugged into a third (and smaller 650) UPS.


If I were in your situation, that's exactly how I would do it.
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Thanks for the response, and for sharing your situation.

What's the model of your 650 UPS?

Looking at the pic you posted earlier, it shows the UPS with the Blue Iris PC, and the PoE network switch, combining for 48 Watts.

My desktop PC is different from your Blue Iris PC. But when I used the PSU calculator I linked to above, it estimated that my desktop would use 270 ~ 305 Watts.

Power Supply Calculator - PSU Calculator | OuterVision

I entered what components were in my PC, and that's the number it gave.

Do you think that estimate is right, or could it be closer ~ 25 Watts like yours?

Also, do you have a VPN set up on your router? I recently set one up on mine.
 
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I do have VPN set up. Good job on getting yours setup, that is the safest way to connect back into your network.

For that PSU calculator, I think that was probably "maximum power consumption" and that your regular day-to-day usage will be lower.

I use this UPS for my TiVo: 650VA APC UPS If I were buying now, I'd consider getting the newer, less-expensive 600VA model. I haven't gone through the reviews of that model though...

I need to update those pictures you looked at as I've reallocated the load. The picture with the UPS showing 48W was just my PC... I hadn't moved the PoE network switch over to that UPS yet. So the "networking" UPS should go down about 20-25W, and the "computer" UPS should go up by that amount.
 
aristobrat said:
I do have VPN set up. Good job on getting yours setup, that is the safest way to connect back into your network.

For that PSU calculator, I think that was probably "maximum power consumption" and that your regular day-to-day usage will be lower.

I use this UPS for my TiVo: 650VA APC UPS If I were buying now, I'd consider getting the newer, less-expensive 600VA model. I haven't gone through the reviews of that model though...

I need to update those pictures you looked at as I've reallocated the load. The picture with the UPS showing 48W was just my PC... I hadn't moved the PoE network switch over to that UPS yet. So the "networking" UPS should go down about 20-25W, and the "computer" UPS should go up by that amount.
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Thanks for the link. Wow, the 600VA model looks like a good deal. I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks for your input about the PSU calculator.

Since you also have a Tivo, have you tried to access your recordings when on a remote network, perhaps by connecting to the VPN first?

I read about this last week, but haven't tried it yet. Both links refer to the same procedure, from different sources.

Access your Tivo’s hidden webserver! Download, strip and rip. Part One.

What is the official method for transferring to PC?

I was hoping to download recordings to a PC when I'm on a remote network.
 
nuraman00 said:
Since you also have a Tivo, have you tried to access your recordings when on a remote network, perhaps by connecting to the VPN first?
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Yes and no. I've accessed recordings remotely using the iOS TiVo app on both my iPhone/iPad (I do this a lot while waiting in the exam room for my vet, ... they're great, just really slow), but I've never done it remotely with a PC. It looks like the "kmttg" Java app might be a more automated way of doing what's listed in your first link above. If you haven't found it already, check out the TiVo Community forum over at TiVoCommunity Forum. Lots of good info, just takes some searching to find it sometimes. :)
 
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