New system for new home / Improving from the old

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Good Evening All,

I'm building a house and pressing such tight timelines for equipment and install, that I'll ask for forgiveness in advance for asking for a turnkey answer on my first post. Hopefully responses will be helpful to others in the future as well.

My only personal experience with IP cameras is a system from Supercircuits I purchased in December 2017:
(4) NC304-XD28: 4PM IP 100ft IR WDR turret camera 2.8mm
(1) WL-N8P: 8 Channel NVR, 8 Port PoE, 40Mbps 1U
(1) 4TB WD Purple HD

Problems I hope to alleviate with next system:

Processing power:
1.) If I ever tried to have more than two devices streaming, it would give a message 'out of memory' and not stream (e.g. NVR monitor, office PC, then attempt to start IPAD and it won't work)
2.) Trying to review previous recordings would be sluggish and arduous process

False motion detection:
1.) looking through footage, there’s too many false alarms to ever have it do a live notify and the only realistic way I’d ever see something is if I knew exactly what I was looking for already
2.) even though I used the grid to isolate motion area to not pickup trees, etc. that takes away area I need to see and even the smaller area triggers on shadows

Camera Quality:
1.) I’ve read that lower MP cameras do better at night, but the 8PM cameras seem enticing for better positive identification; where is the sweet spot? House to the street is about 50ft, and the rest would be within 15-20ft.
2.) Blooming: for the front porch where there are lanterns mounted close, would like cameras that can adjust to the ambient light.

Storage:
Would like at least 2 bays in the NVR, but not sure if having one massive drive is better than two smaller drivers? I would doubt that economical options use RAID? I’d like to be able to run 8 cameras and capture in full video (29/30fps) quality and store based on motion events for up to a month.

Potential improvements with new system:
1.) PIR thermal detection to help with false positives with motion?
2.) Better ram, processing power, video fps and quality


It seems that lots of people, Supercircuits/Alibi included, are OEM Hikvision but I don’t see Hikvision equivalents looking at their site, especially for 8MP.

This is the best option I could come up with thus far that would allow 8/9 cameras and if it’s a 16 channel NVR and never has that many cameras, perhaps could run them quickly. My current system is an 8 channel, and I only ever installed 4 of the cameras and had all of those problems I mentioned. There are no computer specs available from the manufacturer or the website.
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Any guidance or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Was hoping to keep the NVR and first 8 cameras under $1500, but not sure if this is reasonable based on my ask.

Thanks!
Brett
 

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Start with an wired alarm system that is monitored, doors, widows, inside motion detectors PIR....

Identification has more to do with camera placement then Megapixels.
On a new house build run multiple ethernet cables to each possible camera location.
You have two main choices in equipment selection do you use an NVR or go with a VMS (video monitor system) on a PC (like Blue Iris) .

Eight cameras is not really very good, I have 3 cameras on the front door, two cameras on the back door, an two cameras on the garage door and 7 cameras covering the inside public spaces.

If i were you I would work on camera placement and running wire.... You can buy cameras and an NVR/PC later...

Read, study, plan... before spending money.

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My standard welcome to the forum message.

Please read the cliff notes and other items in the wiki. The wiki is in the blue bar at the top of the page.

Read How to Secure Your Network (Don't Get Hacked!) in the wiki also.

Quick start
1) If you do not have a wired monitored alarm system, get that first
2) Use Dahua starlight cameras or Hikvision darkfighter cameras or ICPT Night eye cameras (Store | IP Cam Talk) if you need good low light cameras.
3) use a VPN to access home network (openVPN)
4) Do not use wifi cameras.
5) Do not use cloud storage
6) Do Not use uPNP, P2P, QR, do not open ports,
7) More megapixel is not necessarily better.
8) Avoid chinese hacked cameras (most ebay, amazon, aliexpress cameras(not all, but most))
9) Do not use reolink, ring, nest cameras (they are junk), no cloud cameras
10) If possible use a turret camera , bullet collect spiders, dome collect dirt and reflect light (IR)
11) Use only solid copper, AWG 23 or 24 ethernet wire. , no CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum)
12) use a test mount to verify the camera mount location. My test rig: rev.2
13) (Looney2ns)If you want to be able to ID faces, don't mount cams higher than 8ft. You want to know who did it, not just what happened.
14) Use a router that has openVPN built in (Most ASUS, Some NetGear....)
15) camera placement use the calculator... IPVM Camera Calculator V3

Cameras to look at
IPC-HDW2231R-ZS Review-Dahua IPC-HDW2231RP-ZS Starlight Camera-Varifocal
IPC-HDW5231-ZE Review-Dahua Starlight IPC-HDW5231R-ZE 800 meter capable ePOE
IPC-HFW4239T-ASE IPC-HFW4239T-ASE
IPC-T5442TM-AS Review IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED (Full Color, Starlight+)
IPCT-HDW5431RE-I Review - IP Cam Talk 4 MP IR Fixed Turret Network Camera
DS-2CD2325FWD-I
IPC-T5442TM-AS Review-OEM 4mp AI Cam IPC-T5442TM-AS Starlight+ - 4MP starlight+

Other dahua 4MP starlight Dahua 4MP Starlight Lineup

My preferred indoor cameras
DS-2CD2442FWD-IW
IPC-K35A Review-Dahua IPC-K35A 3mp Cube Camera

If interested in Blue Iris and other setup items see the following post

Read,study,plan before spending money ..... plan plan plan
Test do not guess
 
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