My hikvision 4" ptz with 23x zoom was $140 (ex shipping) 2mp turbo hd, not ip. 100m IR 90 degree/s speed and -15 tilt. There is an ip version of the same camera, same sensor, size, zoom etc but its more expensive and won't have English menu.Nah, I'm happy with the Hik gear. Just need a good mini ptz ( dome style) with good night vision.