Recommendation Needed: 30x Optical Zoom

my only hesitation on 6 is that you just don’t know if that’s the perfect cam for each location. I have 11 cams, 3are one model, 3 are another model, 2 specialty cams, 2 of another model, and one single model
 
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my only hesitation on 6 is that you just don’t know if that’s the perfect cam for each location. I have 11 cams, 3are one model, 3 are another model, 2 specialty cams, 2 of another model, and one single model
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Very true, Hmmm.... these would be good for covering corners of the house outside wide angles right? Would they be any good inside?
 
Timboo said:
Very true, Hmmm.... these would be good for covering corners of the house outside wide angles right? Would they be any good inside?
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Hold on to the inside thing. Different ballgame

Yes they would be good at entrywaydoor and overview but you may have some places you want Color night image for better visual ID of bad guy and need one with white light LEDs
Or you may need one with more zoom (license plates or maybe a long range choke point.

At some point we'll need a rough diagram of your layout and a few pics to really be able to tell. Most Pro installers wouldn't let you go buyin cams without a site visit.
 
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Hold on to the inside thing. Different ballgame

Yes they would be good at entrywaydoor and overview but you may have some places you want Color night image for better visual ID of bad guy and need one with white light LEDs
Or you may need one with more zoom (license plates or maybe a long range choke point.

At some point we'll need a rough diagram of your layout and a few pics to really be able to tell. Most Pro installers wouldn't let you go buyin cams without a site visit.
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Ah, got ya.

I'll get diagrams together when I get home on Wednesday and we can go over stuff. I'm out of town at the moment and can't take measurements and measure saturation, lighting, etc.
 
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Each location will need to be looked at in detail and define EXACTLY what you hope to accomplish.

#1 thing we see here is people trying to do too much with too few cameras and end up with shitty results

All of those things are possible

For the Front maybe a single 180 Overview, or two single lens VF cams that work with with two PTZs. But Good PTZ's start at $500-$600 and really good ones are $1500+

160+ft


450-500ft
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I'm sure you probably mentioned it somewhere else, but my memory is becoming shorter and shorter. What PTZ camera is this with auto-tracking?
 
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I'm sure you probably mentioned it somewhere else, but my memory is becoming shorter and shorter. What PTZ camera is this with auto-tracking?
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EmpireTech PTZ5A4M-25X 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP 25x Starlight IR 5.4mm–135mm Va

4MP, 1/1.8" CMOS Powerful 25x optical zoom Starlight+ Technology Max. 25/30fps@4MP IR distance up to 150 m Deep-learning-based perimeter protection Auto-tracking and IVS PoE+ IP67, IK10
empiretech01.com empiretech01.com

This is the one I was looking at. No worries if I can help I'm happy to.
 
bigredfish said:
Each location will need to be looked at in detail and define EXACTLY what you hope to accomplish.

#1 thing we see here is people trying to do too much with too few cameras and end up with shitty results

All of those things are possible

For the Front maybe a single 180 Overview, or two single lens VF cams that work with with two PTZs. But Good PTZ's start at $500-$600 and really good ones are $1500+

160+ft


450-500ft
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Maybe I missed it, are the PTZ cameras that produced these images full size or mini PTZ cameras?
 
Those are full size 6 series. $1500+
 
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Yep, I am aware they are hardwire and have some experience with fishing cables through the walls, so I will make placements that give me this ability.

I added the NVR from empire tech to the cart, the T54IR-ZE cameras also look at what I want. I will probably just start with a few of those and scrap the crap from ADT... or just keep it onling till it doesn't work anymore. I already canceled with them several months ago and they send me bills but I don't pay them. Everything still works and I own the equipment so it isn't on lease or anything. At this point I won't care if it works with the new system or not, just want to start over with something that I control and can utilize here, or take with me somewhere else without having to buy all new equipment... as I have had to do 2 times already.

Dang, you all should get commisions on all the recommendations. I definetly will be sending people here who want to know about cameras and a security system. I am blessed to have found this forum and will definetly keep tabs on it. Y'all all know your stuff and it helps me make an informed decission.

Thank you.


Awww, I was hopeful that you all got paid a little bit for the effort you are putting into this site. Major props to everyone here that helped out because I was soooo super lost before I found this forum and now I actually have an idea of what I need and what to do.

I plan on fishing cables through the walls so I don't have to worry about charging a battery, or the camera losing power during a critical moment. I have some expirience with fishing wires through the walls and have a compitent electrical experience to back up the work needed.

The mounts seem alright, are they sold seperatly? Not that it matters, just never seen the mounts advertised seperatly.

Definetly pure copper, CCA is garbage. I have a 2GB Mirrored connection at my home for computers and what not so I definetly understand the importance of the pure copper aspect. If you have a recommendation for the cable I will need for the T54IR-ZE Cameras, I would be open to check it out.



Ah, copy that. I will check out the 16ch and look for the upgrades. After everything is fleshed out I plan on having 4 cameras in the front, 3-4 in the back, 2 inside, 1 in the garage, 1 in the workshop. So 10-12 cameras total would mean I need more than an 8ch anyway.

To start with I am thinking 4 cameras, 2 in front 1 in back, and 1 inside would be the best option. I've been looking at the T54IR-ZE from the comment above and I could do 3 of those and the NVR to start and then order more as the funds are available.

Thanks again for all the information and I will definetly make sure what I am getting is what I need/will work....


Ohhh, someone before asked me for specs exactly what I need.... here is a list: (12-14ish total?) Not really set on the final set up. If I spend $5,000 on a good set up over the next 2 or 3 years I wouldn't be mad. Just wanna make sure I have everything on the house covered. The more I have covered and the better quality the safer my wife will feel while I am away.
1xFront Door Camera to capture faces and people at the front door, I have a google doorbell/camera at the moment and it seems to work alright. So this isn't a priority.
1xBack Door Camera to capture people walking in and out of door.
2xField of Vision on corners of the house watching back yard
2xField of Vision covering the front yard from corners of house
2xTracking and Zoom Cameras in front and back to watch any movement (possibly 2 in front)
1xInside a tool Shed
1xinside the Garage
1xInside the living room
1xinside kitchen
NVR - How much video will get saved with 12+ cameras on

Figured I should say exactly what I need before I go and spend $1,000 on 3 cameras and the NVR. Oh also, what size storage does that NVR have? I didn't see it in the specs, would I need a better one for 12+ cameras?
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One suggestion I have is to start slowly. What you believe you want at this point will likely change as you become familiar with the equipment and their performance in your particular case. As an example, you'll probably find that "what you can see from a planned camera" is different than what you anticipated. Order the basic equipment suggested here, with a couple of cameras that will allow you to test their capabilities. From that experience, you can better design your full system.
 
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bigredfish said:
It’s EOL
You want 4MP on a 1/1.8" sensor. The Laser IR is needed over 200-300ft IMHO
Do not buy a high end 4MP on a small 1/2.8" sensor

SD6AL433XA-HNR

Probably have to step up to the 8 series
www.dahuasecurity.com

WizMind Series - Dahua International

WizMind Series
www.dahuasecurity.com www.dahuasecurity.com
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Ah yea, I see. I was looking at this one:

Then I saw the $2,500 price tag and it would be hard to justify that kind of a camera for a simple home survalience system. Although, I love the specifications and what it can do. I feel putting that kind of money into it might not be cost effective when I could stay under $500 a camera for the whole set up..... Maybe the high end Cameras aren't what I am after. Thank you for sending the link and information though.


JeffCharger said:
One suggestion I have is to start slowly. What you believe you want at this point will likely change as you become familiar with the equipment and their performance in your particular case. As an example, you'll probably find that "what you can see from a planned camera" is different than what you anticipated. Order the basic equipment suggested here, with a couple of cameras that will allow you to test their capabilities. From that experience, you can better design your full system.
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Really good reccomendation. I tend to waste a lot of time and money diving into something... as I have twice with security camera set ups already. I am gonna do my best to make sure I get this right and starting with the basics like an NVR and 1-3 cameras specifically placed for their purpose and specifications might be a great starting point.

From the looks of it the 16ch NVR would be a good buy to make sure I have the equipment I need to build on the initial set up. For the moment, throwing $1,000 into startup is doable and I already ordered the cables and tools to connect everything and run the wires.
 
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Timboo said:
Ah yea, I see. I was looking at this one:

Then I saw the $2,500 price tag and it would be hard to justify that kind of a camera for a simple home survalience system. Although, I love the specifications and what it can do. I feel putting that kind of money into it might not be cost effective when I could stay under $500 a camera for the whole set up..... Maybe the high end Cameras aren't what I am after. Thank you for sending the link and information though.



Really good reccomendation. I tend to waste a lot of time and money diving into something... as I have twice with security camera set ups already. I am gonna do my best to make sure I get this right and starting with the basics like an NVR and 1-3 cameras specifically placed for their purpose and specifications might be a great starting point.

From the looks of it the 16ch NVR would be a good buy to make sure I have the equipment I need to build on the initial set up. For the moment, throwing $1,000 into startup is doable and I already ordered the cables and tools to connect everything and run the wires.
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another thought (from my own experience....) at first, don't worry about a fancy installation of cameras and wiring (i.e. burying, complex routing, etc.) until you test how your camera performs. You might need to relocate it. Try it out before spending the time and money on final installation until you're comfortable. I suspect that you'll find you need/want more cameras than you initially think to get the coverage that you need - resulting in the need to tweak your locations for best coverage (direction, viewing coverage and cross-angles).
 
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another thought (from my own experience....) at first, don't worry about a fancy installation of cameras and wiring (i.e. burying, complex routing, etc.) until you test how your camera performs. You might need to relocate it. Try it out before spending the time and money on final installation until you're comfortable. I suspect that you'll find you need/want more cameras than you initially think to get the coverage that you need - resulting in the need to tweak your locations for best coverage (direction, viewing coverage and cross-angles).
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Definitely thought about that. Solid advice, I bought 1,000 ft of solid copper CAT6, ethernet connectors, and a crimping tool to start. I plan on laying out cables at first then if everything works for placement etc I'll fish the cables trough the walls. I already have a fishing stuff as I've done a few things here and there with it already.
 
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JeffCharger said:
One suggestion I have is to start slowly. What you believe you want at this point will likely change as you become familiar with the equipment and their performance in your particular case. As an example, you'll probably find that "what you can see from a planned camera" is different than what you anticipated. Order the basic equipment suggested here, with a couple of cameras that will allow you to test their capabilities. From that experience, you can better design your full system.
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Exactly as I advised
 
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bigredfish said:
It’s EOL
You want 4MP on a 1/1.8" sensor. The Laser IR is needed over 200-300ft IMHO
Do not buy a high end 4MP on a small 1/2.8" sensor

SD6AL433XA-HNR

Probably have to step up to the 8 series
www.dahuasecurity.com

WizMind Series - Dahua International

WizMind Series
www.dahuasecurity.com www.dahuasecurity.com
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Unless I'm missing it, I do not see any current PTZ cameras with Laser. Seems they all have IR or a combo of IR and visible lighting, even in the 800 series. And the polar light PTZ would be out for so many reasons - the biggest being its massive size and well yes, the cost. WAF would notice it right away.

I need to find a good auto-tracking normal full sized PTZ to replace my one I have now up on the steel pole.

The following is about the best I can do that would be similar in looks and size to what is already there. Any of the 8 series cameras are too large for a residential application like mine (and the wife would string me up with piano wire as soon as she saw it) :oops:

empiretech01.com

EmpireTech PTZ5A4M-25X 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP 25x Starlight IR 5.4mm–135mm Va

4MP, 1/1.8" CMOS Powerful 25x optical zoom Starlight+ Technology Max. 25/30fps@4MP IR distance up to 150 m Deep-learning-based perimeter protection Auto-tracking and IVS PoE+ IP67, IK10
empiretech01.com empiretech01.com
 
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The furthest distance that I would want to monitor is about 225 feet, with the majority of distance being anywhere between 50 and 125 feet. This would cover the whole street on our south side from intersection to the corner of our property, including the cult-de-sac. This is the prime area where just about all of the shenanigans occur. And with auto-tracking, I could eliminate one camera.
 
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You may find you need to keep the other cameras. All of my PTZs use other cameras as spotters to direct the PTZ to targets outside of its “home” preset.

Very few places I’d use a ptz by itself without spotters. Just not reliable enough coverage
 
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