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I was introduced to this site from a post I put on Next Door. I am looking to get security cameras for my home, outside only. The options are over whelming for someone with no experience. I would love a camera that can see great at night and withstand freezing temperatures. I live in Reno, NV and it can get quite cold. Snow isn't a huge issue, but we get a few inches a year. I am looking for wireless just because of ease of installment. I may go with a company that monitors but do not want to pay more than 15 a month. One neighbor suggested Nest and I like their pricing. She had great camera quality to show. I am interested in hearing about all experiences with your home outdoor cameras. I want great quality and will pay for great cameras. I really do not want to buy an Alexa and do not know what other options there are, unless the company has an app I can put on my phone. I am sure there are more points I am not mentioning here. Any feedback is appreciated.
 

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If you want great quality, you will not go with wireless.... and not Nest either LOL. You need power at the camera, so run POE and be done with it.

Wifi is problematic for surveillance cameras because they are always streaming and passing data. And the data demands go up with motion and then you lose signal. A lost packet and it has to resend. It can bring the whole network down if trying to use it through a wifi router. Someone tested this once and after 4 cameras, the wifi in the house was unusable...

Unlike Netflix and other streaming services that buffer a movie, these cameras do not buffer up part of the video, so drop outs are frequent. You would be amazed how much streaming services buffer - don't believe me, start watching something and unplug your router and watch how much longer you can watch NetFlix before it freezes. Now do the same with a wifi camera and it is fairly instantaneous (within the latency of the stream itself)...

Most consumer grade wifi routers are not designed to pass the constant video stream data of cameras, and since they do not buffer, you get these issues.

Let's let our Reno member @Holbs fill you in on what you want!
 

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If you want great quality, you will not go with wireless.... and not Nest either LOL. You need power at the camera, so run POE and be done with it.

Wifi is problematic for surveillance cameras because they are always streaming and passing data. And the data demands go up with motion and then you lose signal. A lost packet and it has to resend. It can bring the whole network down if trying to use it through a wifi router. Someone tested this once and after 4 cameras, the wifi in the house
Unlike Netflix and other streaming services that buffer a movie, these cameras do not buffer up part of the video, so drop outs are frequent. You would be amazed how much streaming services buffer - don't believe me, start watching something and unplug your router and watch how much longer you can watch NetFlix before it freezes. Now do the same with a wifi camera and it is fairly instantaneous (within the latency of the stream itself)...

Most consumer grade wifi routers are not designed to pass the constant video stream data of cameras, and since they do not buffer, you get these issues.

Let's let our Reno member @Holbs fill you in on what you want!
well...I am the one who suggested she introduce herself here and ask questions :)
I know getting into home cameras can be daunting, especially those who do not know the difference between POE and the POPE. 98% of the time, I would always recommend hard wiring for Dahua cameras & using Blue Iris. But in specific circumstances (due to $$ to invest, technical level, etc), Ring, Nest, Arlo camera system has to be the way to go. I have no experience with these systems so thought she should ask here about recommendations.
 

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I was introduced to this site from a post I put on Next Door. I am looking to get security cameras for my home, outside only. The options are over whelming for someone with no experience. I would love a camera that can see great at night and withstand freezing temperatures. I live in Reno, NV and it can get quite cold. Snow isn't a huge issue, but we get a few inches a year. I am looking for wireless just because of ease of installment. I may go with a company that monitors but do not want to pay more than 15 a month. One neighbor suggested Nest and I like their pricing. She had great camera quality to show. I am interested in hearing about all experiences with your home outdoor cameras. I want great quality and will pay for great cameras. I really do not want to buy an Alexa and do not know what other options there are, unless the company has an app I can put on my phone. I am sure there are more points I am not mentioning here. Any feedback is appreciated.
right off the bat... what would be your budget? $100? $1000? that will determine which path forward. I started off with 4 simple cameras at $98 each. 3 years later, I'm upto 25 cameras (ranging from $120-$180 each).
Here is the link I tried to mention on Next Door:
 

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right off the bat... what would be your budget? $100? $1000? that will determine which path forward. I started off with 4 simple cameras at $98 each. 3 years later, I'm upto 25 cameras (ranging from $120-$180 each).
Here is the link I tried to mention on Next Door:
I am thinking around 150 per camera, but I see some on this store's site for around 200 that have some great features, like the 164 feet range when the sun goes down. I know I want night vision.
 

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Cameras are for surveillance to get information for after the fact.

Please read the IP Cam Talk Cliff Notes and other items in the IP Cam Talk Wiki. (read on a real computer, not a phone). The wiki is in the blue bar at the top of the page.

Read How to Secure Your Network (Don't Get Hacked!) in the wiki also.



Quick start
1) If you do not have a wired monitored alarm system, get that first
2) Use Dahua starlight cameras or Hikvision darkfighter cameras if you need good low light cameras.
3) Start with a good variable focus camera, so you test for the correct lens,lighting, camera placement.
4) use a VPN to access home network (openVPN)
5) Do not use WIFI cameras.
6) Do not use cloud storage
7) Do Not use uPNP, P2P, QR, do not open ports,
8) More megapixel is not necessarily better.
9) Avoid chinese hacked cameras (most ebay, amazon, aliexpress cameras(not all, but most))
10) Do not use reolink, ring, nest, Arlo, Vivint cameras (they are junk), no cloud cameras
11) If possible use a turret camera , bullet collect spiders, dome collect dirt and reflect light (IR)
12) Use only solid copper, AWG 23 or 24 ethernet wire. , no CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum)
13) use a test mount to verify the camera mount location. My test rig: rev.2
14) (Looney2ns)If you want to be able to ID faces, don't mount cams higher than 7ft. You want to know who did it, not just what happened.
15) Use a router that has openVPN built in (Most ASUS, Some NetGear....)
16) camera placement use the calculator... IPVM Camera Calculator
17) POE list PoE Switch Suggestion List
18) Camera Sensor size, bigger is general better Sensor Size Chart
19) Camera lens size the bigger number the more range the less FOV. . Which Security Camera Lens Size Should I Buy?
20) verify your camera placement, have a friend wearing a hoodie, ball cap and sunglasses looking down approach the house, can you identify them at night ?
21) DO NOT UPGRADE your NVR or camera unless you absolutely have a problem that needs to be fixed and known what you are doing, if you do you will turn it into a brick !!

Cameras to look at
IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED . Review IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED (Full Color, Starlight+) - 4MP starlight
.................... Dahua IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED review
IPC-T5442TM-AS ..... Review-OEM 4mp AI Cam IPC-T5442TM-AS Starlight+ - 4MP starlight+
IPC-HDW5442t-ZE .... Dahua IPC-HDW5442T-ZE 4MP Varifocal Turret - Night Perfomance testing -- variable focus 2.7 mm-12mm 4 MP Starlight
IPC-B5442E-ZE ...... Review - OEM IPC-B5442E-ZE 4MP AI Varifocal Bullet Camera With Starlight+ -- variable 2.7mm-12mm bullet
N22AL12 ............ New Dahua N22AL12 Budget Cam w/Starlight -- low cost entry
IPC-T2347G-LU....... Review-Loryta OEM 4MP IPC-T2347G-LU ColorVu Fixed Turret Network 4mm lens & Junction Box -- 4MP ColorVu
 
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