Ukraine related: Was Ukraine Government Is Handing Out Guns To Citizens, What Happened to Gun Control?
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Hello.
The most powerful army in the world has already managed to shoot down a balloon? Perhaps America should ask for help from the Ukrainian army - it manages to shoot down almost all Russian missiles, as well as its houses and tractors in neighboring countries.
N-i-k-s-o-n
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For me this is the most alarming clip today. 2 threads same subject
The Ukrainian nationalist battalion "Azov" teaches children how to handle weapons from the age of 7, according to their statements.
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Once again Niksun, your commie propaganda game needs a lot of work. You see, we know our President is a freak'n retard and worthless....and it is just a matter of time before we correct this. But the difference is WE CAN CORRECT it, where as in your communist / fascist country, either you LIKE WHAT YOUR GENOCIDAL POS Leader is doing, or, YOU ARE TOO BIG OF COWARDS to do anything about it.
So yes, our dementia laden idiot that sits in the White House is hurting us, but sometimes Democracy needs a lesson in humility to rise up once again. Communist? You just continue to destroy yourself and others all around you, no matter what the outcome is.
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Looks like an old report circa 2015 after Russia invaded Crimea and sponsored war in the Donbas.
But to answer your point. Yes it is also shocking
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Meanwhile the Former PM Boris Johnson claims putin threatened him, I get that he is jobless and wants attention but there is a limit to the lies. Who buys all such BS made up from thin air. If it really took place that call would have been leaked to the press the very minute after he hung up the phone.
German Chanceller and Israeli PM interviews have made Boris look like a fool.
German Chanceller and Israeli PM interviews have made Boris look like a fool.
‘Putin assured me he wouldn’t kill Zelensky,’ Bennett recalls
“Do you intend to kill Zelensky?” Bennett recalled asking Putin, during an almost five-hour interview he gave to Israel’s Channel 12.
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“Do you intend to kill Zelensky?” Bennett recalled asking Putin, during an almost five-hour interview he gave to Israel’s Channel 12, that was posted on YouTube on Saturday night.
In that conversation, he recounted details from his well-known trip to Moscow on Shabbat in early March 2022, in an attempt to help broker a peace deal between the two sides.
Putin's pledge
While Bennett was not able to help end the hostilities, he was able to secure a pledge from Putin not to kill Zelensky, who at the time was hiding in a secret bunker to prevent such an assassination.
Putin assured Bennett, “I’m not going to kill Zelensky.”
Bennett called Zelensky while he was still in Moscow on his way to the airport from the Kremlin to tell him that he was not under a death threat.
“Are you sure?” Zelensky asked.
“One hundred percent,” Bennett replied. Within hours Zelensky had returned to his office and made a video explaining that he was not afraid, Bennett said.
Not afraid
He had gone to Moscow at Zelensky’s request on the belief that there was a small window of time in which a deal could be reached to end the war.
“We went in absolute secrecy on a decrepit plan from Israel through the Kazakh region… because we couldn’t fly over the black sea. On the way we prayed and made a blessing over the Sabbath wine, it was very emotional,” Bennett said.
They landed in Moscow where it was cold and raining, in what was his first trip to that city, Bennett recalled adding that he was joined by MK Ze’ev Elkin, then the Housing and Construction Minister who is originally from Ukraine and speaks Russian fluently. He had in the past acted as a translator for Netanyahu in his meetings with Putin.
From Moscow, they went to Berlin, to meet with German Chancellor Olaf Schutz and together they updated France, Great Britain and the United States, all of whom had known about his visit.
"Everything I did was coordinated with the United States, Germany and France," he said.
The groundwork for that moment had been laid two months earlier, before the war, when Bennett visited Putin in Sochi for a protracted five to six-hour conversation, that a walk along the shore of the Black Sea and a visit to his home.
He was “smart and sharp” and a supporter of the Jews, Bennett recalled.
up until then, suddenly he gave me a cold look and said ‘they’re Nazis, they’re warmongers, I won’t meet him,’” Bennett recalled.
“I was surprised by the change in his demeanor,” Bennett said.
During that Sochi meeting, Bennett said he was able to restore some of the Israeli aerial freedom of movement to target Iran in Syria that had become constricted.
“There was friction in recent years against the Russians that had restricted our activities,” Bennett said as he referenced the deconfliction agreement with Moscow established in Syria years before he entered office in June 2021.
The warm connection he opened with Putin in Sochi was shored up by subsequent telephone conversations, Bennett recalled.
When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022 Israel was immediately between a “rock and a hard place,” Bennett explained.
“There was an immediate clear US expectation that Israel would do everything it could to help Ukraine” while at the same time, the Jewish State had two “competing interests” that made it difficult to meet that demand, Bennett said.
“One was our routine activity in Syria. Once or twice a week we struck Iranian targets there,” he said.
Russia, which is a superpower has S-300 missiles stationed there that can take Israel’s aerial sorties in the Syrian skies, he said.
“If they press a button Israeli pilots will be downed and who will help rescue them? Will [US President Joe] Biden do it or Zelensky?” he asked noting that it would be Israel’s problem to deal with the fallout.
Second, “there were many Jews both in Ukraine and in Russia and as the Prime Minister of the Jewish State, I felt a special responsibility to them.
So all the talk about “being on the right side of history” by supporting Ukraine is nice, but complicated for Israel given its own existential needs, Bennett said.
He put in place a policy of providing humanitarian assistance, but he feared US pressure to provide weapons, a move that “endanger both the Jews” in Russia and Israel’s interests in Syria.
“So when pressed by two sides, I went a third way,” he said.
To extricate himself from that difficult situation, while at the same time using his ties to possibly help end that war, Bennett understood that if he acted as a mediator he could also set out a strategy of neutrality for Israel.
The connection he had Putin, Bennett said, was a “rare commodity” at that time.
“There was no one else that had the trust of both sides,” he said, except to some extent Turkish President Erdogan.
Bennett, therefore, instituted an Israeli policy of rendering humanitarian assistance, including a field hospital, but not providing weapons.
He knew that if he didn’t find an alternative policy he would be between a rock and a hard place, “I would be forced to provide weapons and then I would be endangering both the Jews” in Russia and Israel’s interests in Syria.
Israeli mediation in March 2022 was an idea he initiated Bennett recalled. He contacted Biden, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and explained that he could be a communications “pipeline” between Putin and Zelensky, adding that he also looped Scholtz into that conversation.
But it was Zelensky, who feared for his life, that requested the Moscow visit, Bennett recalled.
After his return to Israel, he held “talks [on the telephone] back and forth, Putin-Zelensky, Zelensky-Putin” in a “marathon” push that also involved Israel’s National Security Council. Those efforts augmented negotiations going on in Belarus in March, Bennett said.
Putin’s decision not to assassinate Zelensky was essentially a concession with regard to his perceived goal of de-Nazifying Ukraine and he was also willing to back away from his disarmament demand.
Bennett was able to secure a concession from Zelensky that he would back away from wanting to join NATO.
“I was under the impression that they both wanted a cease-fire,” but in the end, he said, negotiations did not halt the hostilities.
Bennett said that at the time he thought he had taken the right stand to visit Moscow and to attempt to mediate an end to the war, but that was ten months ago and in the end, it's unclear what the impact of his efforts were.
The situation is different now, he said, adding that it was "legitimate" for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to change Israel's policy with regard to the Russian-Ukrainian war.
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Did not Putin say he would not invade Ukraine? ...
Did not Putin say no mobilization?
Honestly .. can't trust what Putin says ..
More from the Israeli Pm interview :
. “Zelensky relinquished joining NATO. He said, ‘I’m renouncing that.’ These are huge steps on each side. Huge concessions. The conflict broke out because of the demand to join NATO. And Zelensky said ‘I’m renouncing that.’
Outstanding issues were related to territorial questions, including the fate of Donbass, Crimea, the corridor of land between them, plus Kiev’s demands for security guarantees, with the Russian side rejecting the idea of Western countries providing Kiev with security, according to Bennett, because Moscow saw them as “no different than NATO.” Giving the issue “a lot of thought,” Bennett proposed an “Israel model” alternative to Zelensky.
“I asked ‘America will give you guarantees? It will commit, that, in seven years, if Russia violates something, it will send soldiers, after leaving Afghanistan and all that?’ I said, ‘Volodymyr, it won’t happen, you won’t get guarantees, why are you negotiating?’” Bennett recalled. Israel, he said, “doesn’t have guarantees” about its security. “No one will come to save us. What we do have is a strong, independent army that can protect itself. So let’s forget about these guarantees and discuss the parameters for building military forces – what kind of weapons, planes, how many officers, soldiers are needed. Because Russia doesn’t want Ukraine. So this was a cognitive breakthrough that they both accepted,” Bennett said.
Characterizing Putin as a “very smart, very sharp,” and “very pragmatic” interlocutor based on their conversations, Bennett said he felt the Russian president “totally understood Zelensky’s political constraints. And Zelensky was very pragmatic too.”
Then UK Boris Johnson visits Kiev .
Boris Johnson adopted the aggressive line. Macron and Scholz were more pragmatic, and Biden was both. And that’s it. Then I return to Israel and a negotiations marathon of drafts began…It went back and forth and then, I’ll say this in the broad sense, I think there was a legitimate decision by the West to keep striking Putin and not – I mean the more aggressive approach,” Bennett said.
“I’m just the mediator, but I turn to America in this regard, I don’t do as I please. Anything I did was coordinated down to the last detail with the US, Germany and France,” the politician added. “So basically they blocked it?” his interviewer asked.
“Basically, yes. They blocked it and I thought they were wrong
. “Zelensky relinquished joining NATO. He said, ‘I’m renouncing that.’ These are huge steps on each side. Huge concessions. The conflict broke out because of the demand to join NATO. And Zelensky said ‘I’m renouncing that.’
Outstanding issues were related to territorial questions, including the fate of Donbass, Crimea, the corridor of land between them, plus Kiev’s demands for security guarantees, with the Russian side rejecting the idea of Western countries providing Kiev with security, according to Bennett, because Moscow saw them as “no different than NATO.” Giving the issue “a lot of thought,” Bennett proposed an “Israel model” alternative to Zelensky.
“I asked ‘America will give you guarantees? It will commit, that, in seven years, if Russia violates something, it will send soldiers, after leaving Afghanistan and all that?’ I said, ‘Volodymyr, it won’t happen, you won’t get guarantees, why are you negotiating?’” Bennett recalled. Israel, he said, “doesn’t have guarantees” about its security. “No one will come to save us. What we do have is a strong, independent army that can protect itself. So let’s forget about these guarantees and discuss the parameters for building military forces – what kind of weapons, planes, how many officers, soldiers are needed. Because Russia doesn’t want Ukraine. So this was a cognitive breakthrough that they both accepted,” Bennett said.
Characterizing Putin as a “very smart, very sharp,” and “very pragmatic” interlocutor based on their conversations, Bennett said he felt the Russian president “totally understood Zelensky’s political constraints. And Zelensky was very pragmatic too.”
Then UK Boris Johnson visits Kiev .
Boris Johnson adopted the aggressive line. Macron and Scholz were more pragmatic, and Biden was both. And that’s it. Then I return to Israel and a negotiations marathon of drafts began…It went back and forth and then, I’ll say this in the broad sense, I think there was a legitimate decision by the West to keep striking Putin and not – I mean the more aggressive approach,” Bennett said.
“I’m just the mediator, but I turn to America in this regard, I don’t do as I please. Anything I did was coordinated down to the last detail with the US, Germany and France,” the politician added. “So basically they blocked it?” his interviewer asked.
“Basically, yes. They blocked it and I thought they were wrong
Griswalduk
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Your analysis of recent events seems somewhat illogical. Next you'll be saying Russia did not team up with the Nazis and start WW2 by invading Poland
First of all Putin unfamiliar with the concept of truth says Russia will not invade Ukraine.
With this is mind former Israeli PM seems willing to overlook this elephant in the room and accept his word after Ukraine is invaded. Note some quotes from your article.
The drama and bravery of the highest order by Israeli PM Bennet praying as he's goes
"We went in absolute secrecy on a decrepit plan from Israel through the Kazakh region… because we couldn’t fly over the black sea. On the way we prayed and made a blessing over the Sabbath wine, it was very emotional,” Bennett said.
On his meeting with Putin he says
"suddenly he gave me a cold look and said ‘they’re Nazis, they’re warmongers, I won’t meet him,’” Bennett recalled. “I was surprised by the change in his demeanor,” Bennett said.
and
Just like Boris Johnson he recites a conversation that would have been leaked to the press the moment the phone was down. Former Israeli PM Bennett:"I asked Putin: Are you going to kill Zelensky?.He replied,I'm not going to kill Zelensky.I told Zelensky Putin will not kill him.2 hours later Zelensky went into his office and filmed himself there on the phone with the words: "I'm not afraid!"
After a marathon 5 hour talking session it seems Boris Johnson might not be the only wordsmith in town. So I'll rephrase this for you.
Meanwhile the Former PM Bennet claims Putin cold looks and changes in demeanour, I get that he is jobless and wants attention but there is a limit to the lies.
You also highlight that Olaf Scholz doesn't mention Boris Johnson
Olaf Scholz said that Putin did not threaten either Germany or the German Chancellor himself during telephone conversations.
It seems Boris Johnson might not be the only fool in town. So I'll rephrase this for you.
German Chanceller and Israeli PM interviews have made themselves look like a fool.
Also attached are articles from March 2022 wondering what Bennett is doing and Macron / Scholz showing they have no balls and embarrassing themselves on the world stage.
Two Russia experts fear Putin played Bennett by inviting him to Moscow
Analysts say Russian leader may have used Israeli PM to buy time for regrouping, and to win legitimacy from world leaders
www.timesofisrael.com
Russia must not be humiliated in Ukraine, says Emmanuel Macron
French president says door must be left open to allow improvement in diplomatic relations after war
www.theguardian.com
Scholz defends Ukraine policy as criticism mounts in Germany
Opposition leader to visit Kyiv on Monday and Ukrainian ambassador says military aid pledged is ‘not enough’
www.theguardian.com
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Minus 12 tanks.
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Wait there is more.
US general warns British Army no longer among world’s top tier fighting forces: report
A U.S. general reportedly warned UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace that the British Army must revamp its military as it is no longer considered among the world's top-tier forces.
www.foxnews.com
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Minus 12 tanks.
US general warns British Army no longer among world’s top tier fighting forces: report
A U.S. general reportedly warned UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace that the British Army must revamp its military as it is no longer considered among the world's top-tier forces.
Wait there is more.
The might of the British army is linked below. Due to these forces Uk citizens and others from countries throughout the world can sleep soundly at night and go peacefully about their business knowing that ethnic cleansing, genocide, murder, rape, abuse of children, theft, looting, destruction of civilian towns / infrastructure and the friendly Russian way of life will never visit their shores.
It will be interesting to look at the GDP graph in a year. There's a few speculative entries in there and It's not going to age well
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