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Pay attention to what the Russia says ..



The speaker assumes Russia would have attacked Poland, the Baltics etc and Ukraine, had NATO not provoked, not build up.

Straw man argument. Why didnt he before 2022? He had plenty of time.

Crystal ball is always an easy 100% but the reality is he didn't until we overthrew the Ukraine govt, and reneged on our promise not to put NATO at his doorstep
 
@bigredfish

really !?!?

Russia can stop this war right now, and yet refuses to.

SO who really is the bloodthirsty socialists ?

It takes two.
Problem is you have the little crackhead changing his mind 2-3 times per week. He;s bombed Russia infrastructure 2x in the past 6-7 days after first saying he agreed to peace then turning around and demanding he be part of NATO.
Zelensky is losing it and desperate, nothing permanent is going to happen until he's gone.
 
 
It takes two.
Problem is you have the little crackhead changing his mind 2-3 times per week. He;s bombed Russia infrastructure 2x in the past 6-7 days after first saying he agreed to peace then turning around and demanding he be part of NATO.
Zelensky is losing it and desperate, nothing permanent is going to happen until he's gone.

Just takes ONE rapist and ONE victim my friend ..

Just like it took just ONE delinquent to get most of us here to get into security cameras.
 
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The speaker assumes Russia would have attacked Poland, the Baltics etc and Ukraine, had NATO not provoked, not build up.

Straw man argument. Why didnt he before 2022? He had plenty of time.

Crystal ball is always an easy 100% but the reality is he didn't until we overthrew the Ukraine govt, and reneged on our promise not to put NATO at his doorstep

Putin did attack numerous countries prior to 2022 .. just look closer at the history

Did you watch the entire video, or just reply without actually paying attention to the details ?
( Kisin does a very good job covering this .. )
 
Putin did attack numerous countries prior to 2022 .. just look closer at the history
And the USA has helped overthrow the government of numerous countries. Much cheaper than a military attack, and doesn't carry the same stigma.
 
Putin did attack numerous countries prior to 2022 .. just look closer at the history

Did you watch the entire video, or just reply without actually paying attention to the details ?
( Kisin does a very good job covering this .. )

Dont go there
I watched ther first few minutes. I stand by my statement
 
Good luck with that.
Ukraine loses on avg 1000+ per day



Russia loses 1200-1600 a day. Depper man power pockets maybe, but not disimilar figures.

You should read more about what happened in 2014. the West (US) essentially overthrew the Ukraine government and installed their own. Ukraine bombed their own people in areas nearest Russia.
This was about NATO expansion and broken promises by the West.

As far as the armchair battle strategy, good luck with that. You would have had massive escalation and Russia wouldn't have just rolled over. The thought that we can easily take out Russia or defeat them without consequences by throwing some US air assets into the mix in Ukraine is fantasy. Where were the EU planes...???

Stick to your appeasement theory, history won't see it that way. For now, we (the US) just need to be out. The EU will handle it from here. I'm sure they'll just stick some air assets up, 10-20,000 troops, fire a few fancy missiles and it'll all be over. :rofl:

The bigger fun will come watching the EU try to actually manage that corrupt piece of land going forward even if they get all of the former Ukraine land back and Russia pulls out tomorrow. (it wont) .You'll be babysitting that piece of dirt for a very long time while the military contractors get rich and your government keeps you focused on that while they rape your country and import another 10 million Muslims

As I said, US appeasement. Stick in your own government and allow Russia to keep what it has to avoid conflict.......how did that go? It will be no different going forwards. The US is ultimately going to get dragged into this one way or another in the future whether directly or indirectly through World War.

In the meantime, good luck with Iran, China, Syria etc. You say the US doesn't want to suffer the losses but exactly what does a war with China look like? The next war Trump drags you into is going to make Ukraine look like a school yard bust up.

...and as I said elsewhere, don't get me wrong, I like the US and US citizens. It's just the politics have been wrong on this for a long time. It all started with appeasment in the Middle East, the pull out from Afganistan and non interference in Syria. That was the green light for the world that the US was no longer world policeman, and they kids could run riot, which is what they've been doing ever since. The world has lost it's fear and respect of the US because several past presidents were weak and the current one is money obssessed and can't see anything beyond a wallet. Make the rich richer in the US and to hell with the poor or the rest of the world or what anyone thinks. History will tell us how that works out.....
 
Russia loses 1200-1600 a day. Depper man power pockets maybe, but not disimilar figures.



As I said, US appeasement. Stick in your own government and allow Russia to keep what it has to avoid conflict.......how did that go? It will be no different going forwards. The US is ultimately going to get dragged into this one way or another in the future whether directly or indirectly through World War.

In the meantime, good luck with Iran, China, Syria etc. You say the US doesn't want to suffer the losses but exactly what does a war with China look like? The next war Trump drags you into is going to make Ukraine look like a school yard bust up.

...and as I said elsewhere, don't get me wrong, I like the US and US citizens. It's just the politics have been wrong on this for a long time. It all started with appeasment in the Middle East, the pull out from Afganistan and non interference in Syria. That was the green light for the world that the US was no longer world policeman, and they kids could run riot, which is what they've been doing ever since. The world has lost it's fear and respect of the US because several past presidents were weak and the current one is money obssessed and can't see anything beyond a wallet. Make the rich richer in the US and to hell with the poor or the rest of the world or what anyone thinks. History will tell us how that works out.....

You seem quite upset that the US won't fight your wars for you. Read what you wrote, sounds a bit, unhinged.

The Brits and EU should man up and handle their own defense. If you want to take on Russia over Ukraine instead of looking for a peaceful settlement, go right ahead.
Quit demanding the US do it for you.

And frankly I couldnt give two fucks what the Brits or anyone else thinks about us anymore. Europe has been a lousy partner, we're done.
 
This is the third Russian energy infrastructure attack by Ukraine in the last 7 days. Zelensky is openly defying the peace agreement. Russia says it will still hold its end of the bargain for now.

Zelensky does seem to be at war with anybody who wants to end the war.
 
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No war no more $ and he has a huge mansion in Florida and a wife who goes through money like I go through cigarettes…. Then there’s that cocaine habit…
 
We don’t want to be the world’s policeman any longer. We tried that and the people we defended were ungrateful

They were ungrateful because you sold them out. Vietnam, you abandoned the country to the Communists because you couldn't win easily. You did the same with North Korea. Iraq you only went into because of the oil and did 1/2 a job in stabilising the country before pulling out and leaving them to finish the war you started. Syria you ignored, so Russia took it as a green light and started it's own campaign against Western interests under the guise of world policeman, only then did you do anything and it was so little as to leave the people at Assad's mercy, you also sold the Kurds out in Turkey, supported them against the Syrians then turned your backs on them, Afganistan, you pulled out and let the Taliban take the country back, abandoning the few brave people who helped your military over there and left them to die as traitors when you pulled out. You've only gone into countries for economic reasons then left populations high and dry. That's why they hate the US. It's not because you're American, it's because you get into wars for your own economic pursuits not as "world policeman" and you usually lose, then pull out leaving the locals facing hardship or death. You don't care about the local people, only the money.

Did you know according to google, the US has been at war for 222 out of 239 years somewhere in the world? It's only been at peace for 17 years in it's entire history?


The list of wars is huge, and the US has lost nearly every single one:

Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia The major modern exceptions being WWII and the War on Terror.


That's why most of Africa and Asia are aligining now with China and Russia to the detriment of the collective West, because they can see what the US has done to other countries. Left death and destruction for it's own economic aims, and the US and West has done little to alleviate poverty or stop Western Support regimes that acted with violence towards the people:


The US is it's own enemy. It selfshiness in putting itself 1st for decades, not just now as Trump suggests, has made it the number 1 enemy to may nations around the world.

The problem is the risk is, as we're now seeing, a major gravitation towards China and Russia for the majority of the World and the implications that result for future world security especially is nothing is being done to stop many of these now hostile nations developing nuclear weapons.
 
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Welp, you shouldn’t need us then.

Send us money and we’ll talk about it
 
Did you know according to google, the US has been at war for 222 out of 239 years somewhere in the world? It's only been at peace for 17 years in it's entire history?
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The US is it's own enemy. It selfshiness in putting itself 1st for decades, not just now as Trump suggests, has made it the number 1 enemy to may nations around the world.
You rubbed our USA noses in a lot of things I agree with (not every single point). I don't consider google a reliable source for anything, yet concede that the war stats are at least "kinda sorta" correct. USA (the country, not most of the people) likes wars. Overall we have lousy leadership. Most of the rational people just want to be comfortable, have a family, and live in peace. Being a politician or corporate bigwig works against this, so we end up with mostly irrational politicians and corporate bigwigs. For the ones further to the right, the wars let them yield their power and amass riches. For the lefties who want to tell everybody how to live and what to think, and are too dumb to see the unintended consequences, the wars are a vehicle to impose their version of how the world should be on others, and they too get financially rich in the process.

There's some comparison of Ukraine to the other wars, in that the US helped create the situation. To me it's a huge provocation to have expanded NATO so close to Russia, and wanting to expand it right to the border is something I'd never stand for. The war lovers dismiss that saying the only way we stop Russia from taking over everything is to keep forcefully reminding them that they better not try. I suppose they could be right, I'm not all knowing after all, but I think they're wrong. Even though there are huge political differences, I don't see why we can't be mutual friends with Russia in terms of dialog and trade. But doing so would mean that all of the far righty and lefty leaders couldn't flex their muscles and amass great wealth, so they will resist peace. From what I have seen, as much is Trump is an arrogant loose canon, he favors peace and I hope he can pull it off.
 
I both do and don't see the point about NATO. Some draw comparisons with the Cuban Missile crisis in terms of provocation but there's a big difference - NATO is simply a defensive pact. Cuba was about putting nukes next to the US. I think if NATO decided to put short range nukes in Ukraine, then there would be valid point. But apart from speculators and Russian claims, I don't believe that was ever the plan.

I also agree, most ordinary people simply want to live their lives in peace and it's money grabbing greedy politicians who want war over resources or simply to cover up their policitical failings by using it as distraction. This side of the provocation of an invasion of another country (no further comment here), I can't see any valid reason for war.
 
We don’t want to be the world’s policeman any longer. We tried that and the people we defended were ungrateful
They were ungrateful because you sold them out. Vietnam, you abandoned the country to the Communists because you couldn't win easily. You did the same with North Korea. Iraq you only went into because of the oil and did 1/2 a job in stabilising the country before pulling out and leaving them to finish the war you started. Syria you ignored, so Russia took it as a green light and started it's own campaign against Western interests under the guise of world policeman, only then did you do anything and it was so little as to leave the people at Assad's mercy, you also sold the Kurds out in Turkey, supported them against the Syrians then turned your backs on them, Afganistan, you pulled out and let the Taliban take the country back, abandoning the few brave people who helped your military over there and left them to die as traitors when you pulled out. You've only gone into countries for economic reasons then left populations high and dry. That's why they hate the US. It's not because you're American, it's because you get into wars for your own economic pursuits not as "world policeman" and you usually lose, then pull out leaving the locals facing hardship or death. You don't care about the local people, only the money.
Hmm, you gave us all these examples above but I think he's talking mostly how how Europe is ungrateful. I haven't heard much from Vietnam, Communists, North Korea or Iraq with regard to being all bent out of shape about the US and involvement or lack thereof in Ukraine. The European are all in a tizzy-fit because Uncle Sam is tired of the grift whereby the USA foots most of the bill for what Europe sees as a direct threat to Europe. In the meantime, Europe promotes values that are not consistent with America, Europe doesn't invest in their own security and choses to spend their money foolishly on social welfare programs. Uncle Sam is broke, what don't you get? We can't afford the grift and quite frankly it's not fair to Americans. Instead of complaining about America why not man-up Europe and put your resources to work to defend yourselves? America isn't Europe's enemy but you treat us that way; ungrateful and pissed off that we'd close our wallet. This is the same resentment that people often see from relatives who are down and out but get financial support from their wealthier family members. They resent the fact that they are helpless and dependent on others. This is what it seems that Europe is feeling; ungrateful resentment.
 
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