Imagine the US handing Biden over to the Taliban. He will think the Taliban are his allies, or in other words, buddies for life. 
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You know what doesn't make sense? All these years you have neighboring Muslim-dominant countries complaining about terrorism, but they never got together to eradicate terrorism. They write on social media how they have feelings for their brothers and sisters faced by war and scar marks by these terrorist organizations, but yet they all felt it was better to have western countries handle the situation. The decision to GTFO of Afghanistan was spot on, but we could have avoided an abrupt process and stage the exit in phases while at the same time ensuring the safety of the people. This is beyond a humanitarian crisis, this shit was planned all along, but it still horrifies me as to how international intelligence failed to see this coming. Its almost driving by a sleeper car only for the sleeper car to put the floor to the pedal and speed on. 
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MSM (reporting the news with this video in hand) : "Don Jr is so very corrupt"
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I wonder why our military in Afghanistan did not have the ability to set up a perimeter around Kabul. Did we bring home the military before we extracted the embassy staff?
ONE FOR HISTORY BUFFS THAT I BET YOU DID NOT KNOW
In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. President Ford went to Congress for a relief package to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was ONE US SENATOR who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon
This senator reveled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford. Despite the efforts of this U.S. Senator--President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country's fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America . When they arrived in America , President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees to integrate into American society.
That SAME troublesome SENATOR TORPEDOED ANY SUPPORT for these shell shocked, anti-communist, Americans and our helpers, the refugees.
Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the Senator belittled those efforts. What kind of person would oppose President Ford's tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?
THAT SENATOR WAS JOE BIDEN
From the book - "When the Center Held." by Donald Rumsfeld in 2018. (biography)
In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. President Ford went to Congress for a relief package to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was ONE US SENATOR who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon
This senator reveled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford. Despite the efforts of this U.S. Senator--President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country's fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America . When they arrived in America , President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees to integrate into American society.
That SAME troublesome SENATOR TORPEDOED ANY SUPPORT for these shell shocked, anti-communist, Americans and our helpers, the refugees.
Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the Senator belittled those efforts. What kind of person would oppose President Ford's tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?
THAT SENATOR WAS JOE BIDEN
From the book - "When the Center Held." by Donald Rumsfeld in 2018. (biography)
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Did Biden Block Giving Aid and Admittance to Vietnamese Refugees in 1975?
Donald Rumsfeld’s book about the Ford administration, “When the Center Held,” recounts an interaction with then-Senator Joe Biden.
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Guess the truth is the source...Did Biden Block Giving Aid and Admittance to Vietnamese Refugees in 1975?
Donald Rumsfeld’s book about the Ford administration, “When the Center Held,” recounts an interaction with then-Senator Joe Biden.
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Did Biden Block Giving Aid and Admittance to Vietnamese Refugees in 1975?
Donald Rumsfeld’s book about the Ford administration, “When the Center Held,” recounts an interaction with then-Senator Joe Biden.
We establish the other day that site is a bust. CEO Of Fact-Checking Website Snopes Suspended For Lying
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This whole Biden Presidency is nothing but a total catastrophe. The major ones are now Afghanistan, the open border and shutting down the pipeline plus cutting back oil on Federal lands. He is putting this country at the mercy of OPEC for oil. By the way Biden is hiding at Camp David today. He is under a "lid".
That's nice. But then again you can't even figure out that the psychic Arizona audits are a joke. What websites are you checking? The MyPillow guys?
Did Joe Biden and Democrats oppose Vietnamese refugees in the 1980s?
Claim: Many Vietnamese Americans believe that former vice president Joe Biden and the Democrats broadly opposed the arrival of Vietnamese refugees to the United States. Rating: This claim is FALSE. Over 80% of all Democrats in Congress, including Biden, voted to pass major legislation that allowed t
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That's nice. But then again you can't even figure out that the psychic Arizona audits are a joke. What websites are you checking? The MyPillow guys?
Did Joe Biden and Democrats oppose Vietnamese refugees in the 1980s?
Claim: Many Vietnamese Americans believe that former vice president Joe Biden and the Democrats broadly opposed the arrival of Vietnamese refugees to the United States. Rating: This claim is FALSE. Over 80% of all Democrats in Congress, including Biden, voted to pass major legislation that allowed t
That's a whole other discussion. I didn't even bring up any of that.
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Re: Biden and Vietnam
South Vietnam - many in hindsight believe that had the US provided significant aid to the South Vietnamese Government they could have held.
iirc USA promised military aid to South Vietnam as a part of the peace deal.. and Congress reneged on that.
In terms of how the war was lost .. many lessons on that, biggest lesson was it was a political win for Charlie ..
From a historical perspective, yes you can lay the blame on Biden for his part in pulling the aid to what we had promised to our ally South Vietnam.
Historians have directly attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid. Without the necessary funds, South Vietnam found it logistically and financially impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese army.
Moreover, the withdrawal of aid encouraged North Vietnam to begin an effective military offensive against South Vietnam. Given the monetary and military investment in Vietnam, former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage compared the American withdrawal to “a pregnant lady, abandoned by her lover to face her fate." (2) Historian Lewis Fanning went so far as to say that “it was not the Hanoi communists who won the war, but rather the American Congress that lost it." (3)
ref:
historynewsnetwork.org
a good comment from the ref above:
Blueskies Matthew Abbott • 2 years ago • edited
Your correct. The Democratic Congress lost the war and sacrificed SVN, on purpose. They could not allow Republican Nixon to succeed where they had failed so miserably. South Viet Nam had to go, to justify their failures.
First- South Viet Nam was obligated by Treaty to purchase all it's military supplies from the USA. They had large contracts with American companies supplying all their their spare parts for equipment, ammunition, fuel, medical supplies radios and communication gear, trucks, helicopters,parts for planes, new barrels for their shot out artillery. Every Thing they needed was bought in the US.
Second- Late 1974 the Democratic Congress decided to "Investigate" this deal for bogus reasons. They halted all the shipments of supplies, ordering the hold in our ports all freighters taking supplies to South Viet Nam. The "Investigation" Never Ended. South Viet Nam, with no gas for trucks, no ammo, no air support, No Nothing, was attacked after almost two years of this.
Third- After the rapid fall of the un supplied South Viet Nam, the Democratic Congress confiscated this huge amount of supplies and supplied our military with it, while slashing our own military budget.
ref:
This recollection did not fully depict the context around Biden’s disagreement. At the time, Biden was part of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. A declassified transcript from the Ford Library Museum details the full conversation. In the discussion, Ford, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, and a number of senators were debating evacuations of Americans, Vietnamese refugees, and military aid to Nguyễn Văn Thiệu, who was president of South Vietnam (though he would resign a few days after this meeting):
South Vietnam - many in hindsight believe that had the US provided significant aid to the South Vietnamese Government they could have held.
iirc USA promised military aid to South Vietnam as a part of the peace deal.. and Congress reneged on that.
In terms of how the war was lost .. many lessons on that, biggest lesson was it was a political win for Charlie ..
From a historical perspective, yes you can lay the blame on Biden for his part in pulling the aid to what we had promised to our ally South Vietnam.
Historians have directly attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid. Without the necessary funds, South Vietnam found it logistically and financially impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese army.
Moreover, the withdrawal of aid encouraged North Vietnam to begin an effective military offensive against South Vietnam. Given the monetary and military investment in Vietnam, former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage compared the American withdrawal to “a pregnant lady, abandoned by her lover to face her fate." (2) Historian Lewis Fanning went so far as to say that “it was not the Hanoi communists who won the war, but rather the American Congress that lost it." (3)
ref:
What Happened When Democrats in Congress Cut Off Funding for the Vietnam War?
The prospect of Democrats controlling the 110th Congress has raised speculation over a possible suspension of funds for the war in Iraq. Given control of the purse strings, a Democratic Congress would be in the position to force the government to begin the withdrawal of troops. Although they...
historynewsnetwork.org
a good comment from the ref above:
Blueskies Matthew Abbott • 2 years ago • edited
Your correct. The Democratic Congress lost the war and sacrificed SVN, on purpose. They could not allow Republican Nixon to succeed where they had failed so miserably. South Viet Nam had to go, to justify their failures.
First- South Viet Nam was obligated by Treaty to purchase all it's military supplies from the USA. They had large contracts with American companies supplying all their their spare parts for equipment, ammunition, fuel, medical supplies radios and communication gear, trucks, helicopters,parts for planes, new barrels for their shot out artillery. Every Thing they needed was bought in the US.
Second- Late 1974 the Democratic Congress decided to "Investigate" this deal for bogus reasons. They halted all the shipments of supplies, ordering the hold in our ports all freighters taking supplies to South Viet Nam. The "Investigation" Never Ended. South Viet Nam, with no gas for trucks, no ammo, no air support, No Nothing, was attacked after almost two years of this.
Third- After the rapid fall of the un supplied South Viet Nam, the Democratic Congress confiscated this huge amount of supplies and supplied our military with it, while slashing our own military budget.
ref:
This recollection did not fully depict the context around Biden’s disagreement. At the time, Biden was part of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. A declassified transcript from the Ford Library Museum details the full conversation. In the discussion, Ford, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, and a number of senators were debating evacuations of Americans, Vietnamese refugees, and military aid to Nguyễn Văn Thiệu, who was president of South Vietnam (though he would resign a few days after this meeting):
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The Taliban have set up checkpoints in Kabul and are searching Afghans' phones for evidence they communicated in English
jepstein@insider.com (Jake Epstein) - 56m ago
© AP PhotoTaliban fighters stand guard at a checkpoint that was previously manned by American troops near the US embassy, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, August 17, 2021. AP Photo
Taliban forces have searched Afghans' phones for any sign of illicit material, according to the report.
Meanwhile, Taliban fighters are also searching the offices and homes of Afghans who have affiliations with Western governments or organizations. Many Afghans are racing to erase past online lives, scrubbing their phones for evidence of a more secular lifestyle over the last 20 years.
The Taliban have also set up checkpoints at entrances to Kabul's airport, where they have whipped and beat Afghans who tried to cross to make an escape, the Wall Street Journal report said.
The Journal reported that some evacuation flights were leaving near-empty, as a result of the new checkpoints. A German military A400M Airbus - which has a capacity of over 100 passengers - took off with just seven onboard on Tuesday.
jepstein@insider.com (Jake Epstein) - 56m ago
© AP PhotoTaliban fighters stand guard at a checkpoint that was previously manned by American troops near the US embassy, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, August 17, 2021. AP Photo
- The Taliban set up checkpoints in Kabul, restricting access to the airport, The Wall Street Journal reported.
- Residents' smartphones are being inspected for communications in English.
- Militants continue to search offices and homes of Afghans affiliated with Western governments and organizations.
- See more stories on Insider's business page.
Taliban forces have searched Afghans' phones for any sign of illicit material, according to the report.
Meanwhile, Taliban fighters are also searching the offices and homes of Afghans who have affiliations with Western governments or organizations. Many Afghans are racing to erase past online lives, scrubbing their phones for evidence of a more secular lifestyle over the last 20 years.
The Taliban have also set up checkpoints at entrances to Kabul's airport, where they have whipped and beat Afghans who tried to cross to make an escape, the Wall Street Journal report said.
The Journal reported that some evacuation flights were leaving near-empty, as a result of the new checkpoints. A German military A400M Airbus - which has a capacity of over 100 passengers - took off with just seven onboard on Tuesday.
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Horrifying, and people seem to be going about their business
I am sure this is happening in a lot of the cities in Afghanistan. What a total disaster.