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[samplenhold]

No i said the figure they quoted is that 66% of adults old enough to vote turned out.

The problem with these sites that summarize voter registration and talk about turn out is that they all use different terminology or report different data. After @sebastiantombs post #6011 I decided to look into that claim. What I found was hundreds of sites that at first glance, seem to report summaries as facts. Some of these sites, the ones that come up first in a Google search, are obvious 'progressive' leaning sites as they talk about easing requirements on registration and restoring felon's right to vote. So one has to take the data with a grain of salt.

But they toss around 'registration percentage' in very loose terms. Some report percent registered as a percentage of the total population. Some report it as the percent of adults over 18 that are registered. While others look at the total number of eligible adults that are registered. They also misrepresent the percentage of people that voted. Some report it as a percentage of the total population, some as the percentage of eligible voters, while others proport to calculate it against registered voters.

But a lot of that is moot. People die. That has been proven over and over. But they do not get removed from the voter rolls, at least in most states. There is no procedure that removes a voter from the rolls when they die. No one in the voter registration office gets a notification when someone dies. They do not get the death certificate mailed to them. The only time rolls get purged is when they look at those people that have not voted for years and puge them. But many states do not do this anymore as Democrats have always fought against it claiming it hurts minorities and it is a form of Republican voter suppression.

 

[kevins]

The problem with these sites that summarize voter registration and talk about turn out is that they all use different terminology or report different data. After @sebastiantombs post #6011 I decided to look into that claim. What I found was hundreds of sites that at first glance, seem to report summaries as facts. Some of these sites, the ones that come up first in a Google search, are obvious 'progressive' leaning sites as they talk about easing requirements on registration and restoring felon's right to vote. So one has to take the data with a grain of salt.

But they toss around 'registration percentage' in very loose terms. Some report percent registered as a percentage of the total population. Some report it as the percent of adults over 18 that are registered. While others look at the total number of eligible adults that are registered. They also misrepresent the percentage of people that voted. Some report it as a percentage of the total population, some as the percentage of eligible voters, while others proport to calculate it against registered voters.

But a lot of that is moot. People die. That has been proven over and over. But they do not get removed from the voter rolls, at least in most states. There is no procedure that removes a voter from the rolls when they die. No one in the voter registration office gets a notification when someone dies. They do not get the death certificate mailed to them. The only time rolls get purged is when they look at those people that have not voted for years and puge them. But many states do not do this anymore as Democrats have always fought against it claiming it hurts minorities and it is a form of Republican voter suppression.

Sebastiantombs said there are 122 million registered voters. That is less than then number of votes cast in 2016 when trump was elected.

And I dont think the problem is the sites using different metrics. The problem is people do not read them properly. Before coming out with something as proof a bit of checking must be done. I am only looking at the article he linked to, and nowhere does it mention registered. If you are going to alledge fraud, I think it is only fair to make sure you have correct stats.

 

[TonyR]

If you are going to alledge fraud, I think it is only fair to make sure you have correct stats.

Do YOU know where those "correct stats" are?

 

[kevins]

The problem with these sites that summarize voter registration and talk about turn out is that they all use different terminology or report different data. After @sebastiantombs post #6011 I decided to look into that claim. What I found was hundreds of sites that at first glance, seem to report summaries as facts. Some of these sites, the ones that come up first in a Google search, are obvious 'progressive' leaning sites as they talk about easing requirements on registration and restoring felon's right to vote. So one has to take the data with a grain of salt.

But they toss around 'registration percentage' in very loose terms. Some report percent registered as a percentage of the total population. Some report it as the percent of adults over 18 that are registered. While others look at the total number of eligible adults that are registered. They also misrepresent the percentage of people that voted. Some report it as a percentage of the total population, some as the percentage of eligible voters, while others proport to calculate it against registered voters.

But a lot of that is moot. People die. That has been proven over and over. But they do not get removed from the voter rolls, at least in most states. There is no procedure that removes a voter from the rolls when they die. No one in the voter registration office gets a notification when someone dies. They do not get the death certificate mailed to them. The only time rolls get purged is when they look at those people that have not voted for years and puge them. But many states do not do this anymore as Democrats have always fought against it claiming it hurts minorities and it is a form of Republican voter suppression.

Sebastiantombs said there are 122 million registered voters. That is less than then number of votes cast in 2016 when trump was elected.

And I dont think the problem is the sites using different metrics. The problem is people do not read them properly. Before coming out with something as proof a bit of checking must be done.

Do YOU know where those "correct stats" are?

Firstly I'm not the one making allegations. And yes I do know what the correct stats are. Did you even read my post?

I pointed out the correct information, which makes the previous "proof" just simply something that more than one poster didn't understand.

 

[sebastiantombs]

If you read my post it was edited to say I wanted to correct the numbers to the "real" ones, al la a John Brenner correction. Read the whole post and not just what you want to read. In any event I find it more than unbelievable that Creepy, Sleepy, Crooked, Joe Bunco could get 80+ million votes and then not draw more than ~100 people at his first rally as the alleged President Elect.

 

[bigredfish]

Sebastiantombs said there are 122 million registered voters. That is less than then number of votes cast in 2016 when trump was elected.

And I dont think the problem is the sites using different metrics. The problem is people do not read them properly. Before coming out with something as proof a bit of checking must be done.

Firstly I'm not the one making allegations. And yes I do know what the correct stats are. Did you even read my post?

I pointed out the correct information, which makes the previous "proof" just simply something that more than one poster didn't understand.

Where do you get "your" information? And how are we or you, to know how many "eligible" voters there are? Just because one is over age 18 doesn't necessarily mean they are eligible to vote.

Look, I believe there was substantial fraud in the election, you apparently dont. Neither of us can prove beyond a doubt our position. We dont have the actual hard evidence in our hands either way.

The bigger picture is that there is a real cultural war that has been brewing for many years in this country. Your side will likely win in the short term due to demographics. As the country becomes increasingly socialist and things like exceptionalism, the nuclear family, biology, and capitalism are further destroyed, the country will not resemble in the next 10-20 years what it did for the last couple of hundred.

Harris is simply a symptom of the disease of apathy and the unwillingness of the majority to give up their comforts in order to stand up to the deterioration.

I've learned over the past 4 years that the MSM, most Congress critters on both sides, and more importantly, insitutions such as the DOJ, our electoral process, and some health organizations, no longer have my back (if they ever really did) or aren't particularly interested in the long term effects of their actions and words on our society.

 

[kevins]

I did read your post fully. I was pointing out that a small bit of a check, such as the number of votes cast in 2016 where there was no allegations of fraud show that number to be incorrect.

I am aware you corrected it.

The posters who then tried to allege fraud based on the Washington Post, didnt fully read it, we are all human. I am pointing out the correct information.


Bigredfish, I got the information from your post in the article that you linked.

I am aware we have different views on the election, and you are entitled to yours, no problem with that.

If you say "how are we to know how many eligible voters" , then you can't use it as your argument.

Yes, it is not just people of voting age.

I'm not too concerned if the number is 232 or 229 or whatever, my point simply is the argument that more voted than registered is false.

 

[bigredfish]

It would be very simple to know what the real numbers were if we had voter id laws that were enforced and a basic varfication system in place.

liberals don’t want that. And that tells me all I need to know.

 

[sebastiantombs]

^^^ If we had that how could dead people vote, more than once each? That wouldn't be fair. Oh wait, that can be corrected by Smartmatic software running on Dominion machines.

 

[bigredfish]

I did read your post fully. I was pointing out that a small bit of a check, such as the number of votes cast in 2016 where there was no allegations of fraud show that number to be incorrect.

I am aware you corrected it.

The posters who then tried to allege fraud based on the Washington Post, didnt fully read it, we are all human. I am pointing out the correct information.


Bigredfish, I got the information from your post in the article that you linked.

I am aware we have different views on the election, and you are entitled to yours, no problem with that.

If you say "how are we to know how many eligible voters" , then you can't use it as your argument.

Yes, it is not just people of voting age.

I'm not too concerned if the number is 232 or 229 or whatever, my point simply is the argument that more voted than registered is false.

Here ya go, this will solve all of those pesky problems about voting...

Zerohedge

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Washington and Lee University assistant law professor Brandon Hasbrouck says Black Americans and Native Americans should be able to vote twice as a cheaper form of reparations.

 

[Ssayer]

Do they also state that dead people should get to vote 3 times because of their under representation and inherent inability to vote in person?

 

[bob2701]

I used to come here for camera information, but since my cameras are all working fine I spend my time in this thread.

 

[Ssayer]

 

[mat200]

Well put.. very well put..

 

[tigerwillow1]

I used to come here for camera information, but since my cameras are all working fine I spend my time in this thread.

Same here, but with all of the recent posts claiming a Biden administration will have more integrity or follow science better, I'm beginning to think the only thing this forum will be good for is camera related info.

 

[Zook]

Her real name is Camela Whoreish

I thought it was chameleon hairyass.

 

[Ssayer]

and someone actually has a for-real belief that this guy should have his finger on the Nuke button????? If you can bear to do so, you need to watch it (don't puke!). He Awkwardly Mumbles, ‘Jill Loves Shots…I’ve Had So Many"

 

[bigredfish]

They're not even trying to hide it anymore

DeBlasio Mocks Fox, Doubles Down On 'Mission To Redistribute Wealth' | ZeroHedge

Bill de Blasio doubles down on "Our mission is to redistribute wealth" remark: "If we think we're going to deal with structural racism and segregation without redistributing wealth, we're kidding ourselves."

 

[kevins]

He says no evidence a lot in this video.

 

[bigredfish]

Have fun while you can...

I do wonder about your motives though...

This is the new normal, liberal scum intimidating people and businesses into not going against the narrative. Cancel culture, censorship and intimidation. Hope you're proud.