yes and your ideas i have tried. like using fing, but it did not work for me, and messed up my phone 2 times. one time i reset the phone, and that was hours of getting everything back the way i had it. and i lost my notes i had in that app, i had hundreds of passwords. now when i visit my sites i will have to ask for new passwords. not anyone's fault just the way it is. the second time i installed fing again based on your instructions for getting the ip address for that camera and the next day my phone started messing up again. now if i try to explain what it was doing some will say they don't understand what i'm trying to say, so i just said shit, they got that didn't they. thanks