Hikvision's new 4MP 2-series

[MrFixit]

Which cameras are you using? What are the video and image parameters of the captures?
The pictures are 2048x1536 which means a 3MPixel camera. Is this right?

Also in the first picture (2.8mm lens), the upper left part of the picture seems blurred or out of focus. Do I see right?
Usually the wider the angle of the lens, the greater the depth of field is, i.e.nearer and farther objects are all in focus. The other picture with the 4mm lens, looks crispier.

Yes I run all my cameras in 3MP mode. I do have to agree with you on the fact that my front camera that has the 2.8mm seems blurred or out of focus however this Dome camera model DS-2CD2132F-IWS has a fixed focus so nothing I can do, I purchased this camera from AliExpress so its Chinese camera with hacked English firmware so I am stuck with it. I probably will never ever purchase another camera that is not US Region again. My next purchase will be from milkisbad As for my driveway camera that is a 4mm bullit camera purchased from "Nellys Security" so its full us version/no firmware hacks and the model is DS-2CD2032-I and yes this camera does look better but I am not sure y, It could be the nature of Dome vs Bullet or it could be I got a bad camera from Chinese. Anyway I will be replacing that front camera with a shiny new 4MP camera once milkisbad gets them in.

 

[MrFixit]

The TS-16-CARRIER was the switch to get until I read the manual and they just hook the two up. wa waa waaaaaa
I can't find the exact post that turned me on to these switches, but if you punch in Netonix on their community forum search you will find a bunch of posts.
Here is a good one. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Hi-any-one-used-the-Web-Switch-12-250B-by-Netonix/m-p/1188898#M37165
This Switch is going to power my cameras and the NBE-5AC-19 that will be part of the PTP link back to the Main Building(NVR).

Very interesting, Good luck with your project. Please report back and let us know how it all worked out. I did bookmark the Netonix page for future use if needed.

Thanks for sharing...

 

[MrFixit]

I have not used that particular device but if I thought it would not work I would not have linked it.

A) I was not trying to insult you in anyway, I just wanted to point out that I tried a few of these devices from Amazon from different sellers and allthough the specs where right for the Hik cameras they simply did not work so I am trying to save someone time in the trial & error stage and confirm that the one I linked to from WrightWood does in fact work.



That is simply a matter of choice. PoE on all the ports is more expensive. It requires more power and generates more heat, which often requires a larger switch. The one you linked does not look bad, and it is even gigabit speed.

A) Agreed.



I have a few 5 port toughswitches from back when I ran a bunch of aircams. The 5 port version did not support 48 volt PoE, and besides they would not boot up when they were hot. Probably a minor defect caused that. Anyway any standard-compliant 802.3af PoE switch will be plug-and-play. Ubiquiti switches are not!

Thanks for sharing...

 

[kenneth_dart]

Looking at the Milkisbad catalog, anyone know the difference between these two models:

CMIP1142W-28
CMIP3042W-28

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[OldStyle]

Looking at the Milkisbad catalog, anyone know the difference between these two models:

CMIP1142W-28
CMIP3042W-28

If you don't want to PM Milkisbad, I found the 8/17/15 PDF catalog on their website here.

One has a black face, the other a white face.

 

[bp2008]

I'm guessing the color is the only difference. The black portion of the one may be plastic instead of metal?

 

[JackBauer]

So does he have prices yet for the 4MP's?

 

[gwminor48]

Looking at the Milkisbad catalog, anyone know the difference between these two models:

CMIP1142W-28
CMIP3042W-28

I'm wondering the same thing, I asked the same question a couple of days ago. I'm curious, if the black or white color is the only difference are there any pros or cons or opinions? Also, it sounds like it will still be a few weeks before these models are available from Milkisbad.

 

[blake]

Well that would explain it, I just assumed it was 4MP because this is the 4MP thread. Could you tell me what model 3MP camera that is? Sorry if it has already been posted on this thread but this very interesting thread is getting big. Also how high up is this camera mounted?

Camera is about 10' high.

 

[MrFixit]

Looking at the Milkisbad catalog, anyone know the difference between these two models:

CMIP1142W-28
CMIP3042W-28

If you don't want to PM Milkisbad, I found the 8/17/15 PDF catalog on their website here.

I would say providing information outside of milkisbad is probably not a good idea, He is very responsive to this community and he is providing a service to all of us that he does not have to do. Just go threw the proper channels with this and all be be good.

 

[Del Boy]

+1 PM Milkisbad... he's quick to respond.

 

[badmop]

I have a question, does milkisbad sell dahua cameras?

Also, when you run a camera at anything less than 30fps, is the video jerky? Are you going to miss something since less frames are being recorded? I couldn't imagine watching a 15fps camera screen. It seems like it would not be fluid at all.

Thanks, I have a 4mp dahua on the way, working on upgrading from analog to HD!!

 

[gwminor48]

I have a question, does milkisbad sell dahua cameras?

Also, when you run a camera at anything less than 30fps, is the video jerky? Are you going to miss something since less frames are being recorded? I couldn't imagine watching a 15fps camera screen. It seems like it would not be fluid at all.

Thanks, I have a 4mp dahua on the way, working on upgrading from analog to HD!!

You might want to try a PM to Milkisbad on that but I suspect he may be getting slammed with messages since some of the models of the 4mp are closer to being available through his company.

 

[MrFixit]

I have a question, does milkisbad sell dahua cameras?

Also, when you run a camera at anything less than 30fps, is the video jerky? Are you going to miss something since less frames are being recorded? I couldn't imagine watching a 15fps camera screen. It seems like it would not be fluid at all.

Thanks, I have a 4mp dahua on the way, working on upgrading from analog to HD!!

15fps is plenty fluid, There is a formula for what type of scene needs how many fps. 15fps is perceived real-time and 30fps is true real-time. Many people use lower then 15fps, It all depends on the scene and what your trying to capture. I run all my cameras @15fps because that's more then enough for me. Have a look at the links below, They should give you a better understanding.

Comparison of Frames Per Second for IP Video Surveillance


Average frame rate used for recording http://ipvm.com/updates/1100

Look at post# 4 for a good explanation: http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37141

To sum it all up--industry guidelines for deciding on frame-rates for specific settings:

Casino tables - 30 fps
Cash counting settings (bank tellers) - 12 to 15 fps
Vehicular traffic (not at traffic stops and parking lots) - 15 fps
Pedestrian traffic - 5 fps
Parking lots, traffic cameras, overview scenes - 1 to 3 fps
Low-activity settings - 1 fps

After looking at my links I provided it should give you a good understanding and hopefully answer your questions about fps.

 

[MrFixit]

Camera is about 10' high.

Thank you. Are you using WDR and if yes whats both your day and night setting for it? Also whats is your I-Frame setting the same as your fps of 6?

 

[jimmyt]

should have the 4mp mini bullet tomorrow Will post thoughts.. first thing I noticed is that is has the 5.3.1 software which allows for 4 intrusion zones. I am running 5.3.0 on my other cameras - 3mp turrets - and it only allows for 1. Also with 5.3.0 the 200gb partition limit has been raised. I have a 400gb partition running with no problems. I would assume 5.3.1 is the same.,

 

[badmop]

Thanks, I was curious because back in the day I had an expensive VCR recorder (about 500$) that would record like a week of video on 1 normal VHS tape. It did exactly what I needed it to do at the time, considering what tech was available. The video was quite jumpy because it was only recording a certain amount of frames to extend the recording time of a basic VHS tape. It was great tech back then, but as I said before, I see alot of people talking about recording at 15fps, 6fps, etc and I was thinking that's just gotta be so jerky it's crazy. I guess I'll learn more once my 4mp dahua shows up. Thanks for the input and help, I will watch the videos you posted, I was going to do a search for video comparisons yesterday, but I like asking questions, haha.

15fps is plenty fluid, There is a formula for what type of scene needs how many fps. 15fps is perceived real-time and 30fps is true real-time. Many people use lower then 15fps, It all depends on the scene and what your trying to capture. I run all my cameras @15fps because that's more then enough for me. Have a look at the links below, They should give you a better understanding.

Comparison of Frames Per Second for IP Video Surveillance



Average frame rate used for recording http://ipvm.com/updates/1100

Look at post# 4 for a good explanation: http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37141

To sum it all up--industry guidelines for deciding on frame-rates for specific settings:

Casino tables - 30 fps
Cash counting settings (bank tellers) - 12 to 15 fps
Vehicular traffic (not at traffic stops and parking lots) - 15 fps
Pedestrian traffic - 5 fps
Parking lots, traffic cameras, overview scenes - 1 to 3 fps
Low-activity settings - 1 fps

After looking at my links I provided it should give you a good understanding and hopefully answer your questions about fps.

 

[klasipca]

So, are the new 4MP Chinese cams hackable to English language?

 

[bp2008]

As far as I know all the 4MP cams are already English versions. Of course I am probably wrong.

 

[klasipca]

As far as I know all the 4MP cams are already English versions. Of course I am probably wrong.

Of course you are.

This for for new fisheye 4MP cam, according to feedback (on Russian) the firmware/language is Chinese only. Their description also state that.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hikvision-DS-2CD3942F-I-360-degree-wide-angle-fisheye-panoramic-network-camera-with-infrared-Package-mail/32312625860.html