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and to be fair...I do run Blue Iris because I started this out as a cool hobby. Due to some security events lately, I'm taking things more seriously. However, I am unsure of the comparisons between a Dahua NVR and a dedicated Blue Iris machine. I know a Blue Iris machine = upward expandability/more options but also more things to learn, more things to get confused about. I guess if I was in a rush and too busy, I would not hesitate to go with a Dahua NVR.
 

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I started with BI years ago since it was the cheapest way to do it for me. I had a spare machine hanging around so it just cost the expense of the license to get it up and running.
 
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take a look at my latest posted thread about someone tire slashing this past week. not so much the story but look at the cameras images, model numbers, height from ground, etc.
 

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Afternoon folks - I have been extensively researching this forum and wanted to TRULY thank you all for your Gravitation, Predisposition and well frankly Addiction to Cam Security... )))

Just looking for some insight on beginning my own journey.

SHEWHOMUSTBEOBEYED thinks she wants battery powered Ring Cams just like "our friends" have - pretty pictures etc etc... Ain't happening.

I have conversed with Andy and a few other members about possible cameras to start with based on what I think I want/need (low light, 2 way audio, custom alarm, fixed or vari lens ???,
2-4 MP 1/2.8 Starvis etc...

and they suggested IPC-T5241H-AS-PV 2MP Starlight WDR IR Eyeball AI Network Camera...

Id like to place this either to one side of the crossbeam or right at the peak (probably to high tho) .... from the portico to the street is about 35-40 feet, with VERY little light (no street lights) and dead end street.

My wife doesn't fully understand the myriad of nuances associated with a properly functioning system and she doesn't care to hear about either - so there is no budget per se.

I will run Poe to the basement / smart switch / router and use the Dahua App to start this process of getting my feet wet.

Im no where near attempting BI yet - just looking for a wee bit of simplicity to start....

I realize there are many unknowns in my request - but I have to crawl - walk and then run....

Thanx kindly...
Welcome @TiMah

Good advice has already been given, so just wanted to concur and suggest

Getting one good 4MP 1/1.8" sensor varifocal camera and a small PoE switch a good length of Cat6 cable and setting up a "test rig" - take some time and play around with the camera to get a better understanding of what you can and can not do with it.

As noted, for the requirements you have - you will need multiple cameras.
 

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You have been given great feedback so far.

You need a plan. Read the Cliff Notes and check out the WIKI.

Once you get some of the background, you will have to decide on how to interface with the cams. Basically the choices are a dedicated NVR, a PC running cam software, like Blue Iris, or if you have a NAS that has cam software using that. People on this forum, in general, have decided one over the other. Though I have seen posts of folks that use both an NVR and a software solution at the same time. I have a QNAP TS-251+ and, in the beginning, I used the Surveillance software for my cams. But eventually I did not like it and went with Blue Iris and a PC.

If you decide to go the NVR route, it is a good idea to choose all one brand of cams and NVR. Mixing brands will give you headaches. However, if you go the PC and BI route, then mixing brands of cams is fine. Personally I have gone with all Dahua cams. I believe in fit-for-purpose planning. Currently have over 21 cams recording, spread over 11 different models.

You need to decide on cams. But in order to do that, you need to understand what you want from the system. And I mean specifically, not just 'I want to be able to monitor the house'. What does that mean specifically? Front door coverage? Back door coverage? Do you have your cars parked on the street or in the driveway? How are you going to get ethernet to those locations? So before buying cams, define what you want from the overall system, and then where do you need cams to achieve that overall plan. Once you have defined where cams need to be, you need to define what each cam's job is. Then you define what attributes that cam needs to have to get the job done. Once you have that defined, you make the buying decision based on the merits of the cam satisfying those requirements.

Say you wanted to buy a house. There are obvious requirements that all houses should have, like a roof, locking doors, electricity, you get the idea. But you also have other requirements that are specific to your personal needs. Like maybe 4 bedrooms, two car garage, three and a half baths, etc. Well the same goes for your camera plan. And that plan will evolve over time as you gain experience and knowledge of how cams work. Mine plan is currently nothing like my first plan of two years ago.

Here is an example:

I want to be able to identify anyone that comes to my front door. By identify I specifically mean that I get a good enough face shot that could be used as a mug shot by the police. Plus I want to be able to get info on clothing color and types, any visible tats, and any voice or other sounds they make. I also want to be able to observe their gait and see where they came from and where they went after being at my front door. If a car was involved, I want make, model, color, and any other info including plate number. Oh, and all of this has to be done in both daylight and after dark. My front door faces South and has some issues with lighting and access. It has different lighting depending on time of day, time of year, and rain or shine. I have plenty of lighting on the porch and there are street lights near by. But the door is set back from the rest of the porch and I live on a corner.

I used a varifocal cam on a test rig (as defined in the Cliff Notes) to test different positions at different times and lighting. It became apparent that to get good face shots at the front door and it's approach, I would need more than one cam. I ended up with four cams at the front door. Two mounted at five and a half feet and two mounted at one foot looking up. This gives me a great chance of getting an unobstructed face shot no matter where the sun is shining from and no matter what head covering they are wearing. I then have a cam mounted on one of the porch pillars facing back towards the door so that I get the person leaving. Another cam mounted on the left side of the porch looking across the length of the porch to catch any access that does not come up the walkway. I also have three high mounted overview cams that cover the streets (I live on a 'T' intersection) so that I can see where the person came from and where they went. I also have two cams for LPR and another cam focused on the 'T' intersection for vehicle make, model, color, etc. That is twelve cams spread out over eight different models. Each model was chosen based on the requirements for that specific view/location.

An example of the requirements for the intersection cam:

Needs to be able to run in full color at night overlooking the intersection such that I can identify make, model, color, any damage/stickers, and any other identifying parameters from stopped or moving vehicles. This has to be able to be done in a distance range of 40-80 feet. Would be nice to get plates, but I do not expect to get that in low light from moving vehicles since I have dedicated LPR cams for that. Need to be able to get a good description of people walking through the corner 24/7. Now I just needed to find the right cam.

So I had three cams I had bought for installation in other parts of my home and tested them in the location I wanted to put this cam. One was an older cam that I had replaced from my driveway. This was an HDW5231R-ZE which is a 2MP on a 2/2.8" sensor with a 2.7-13.5mm varifocal lens. This was the top dog for low light two years ago when I bought it. By using this cam in that position, I learned that I needed more zoom than 13.5mm. I also needed better night color performance. I had a T5442TM-AS in 2.8mm fixed lens that I was about to install covering my front door and porch. This is the fixed lens turret brother of the Z4E. This test told me that while the 2.8mm was way to wide a view (which I knew already) the 4MP on a 1/1.8" sensor gave me great color night performance that allowed me to see all of my requirements. So that lead me to getting the B5442E-Z4E, which is an 8-32mm varifocal bullet 4MP on a 1/1.8" sensor.

Hope this helps.
Ahhhhh...... when r u comin' over my Brutha ?? ))))

Firstly, and again this info is invaluable to get me to the starting line.... TYVM
I mean its boggling at times the amount of information here....

I thought Id just buy a few EZVIZ C3Xs - hook up the wifi and Bobs your uncle....

Could still do that I guess... but this has given me new inspiration to jump into the pool.

Just hope I can keep above water...
 

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Welcome @TiMah

Good advice has already been given, so just wanted to concur and suggest

Getting one good 4MP 1/1.8" sensor varifocal camera and a small PoE switch a good length of Cat6 cable and setting up a "test rig" - take some time and play around with the camera to get a better understanding of what you can and can not do with it.

As noted, for the requirements you have - you will need multiple cameras.
Ok now I can breathe.... thats the plan Gents.... 1 Ping Only .... (name that movie)
That takes the feeling of being completely overwhelmed down a few notches -
GREAT IDEAS lads.... A single cam to start with...
 

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Im in Andys store and looking at vari cams - can someone suggest which cam to purchase....
This isnt about $$$ - nor is it about "well Steve told me to buy it - HighSchool BS"

Thats just not me...

Its about simply grabbing a cam that will allow me the most options to learn (play) from...

1) IPC-T3441T-ZAS 4MP Starlight Lite AI IR Vari-focal Eyeball Network Camera
2) IPC-T5442T-ZE 4MP Starlight IR Vari-focal Eyeball Network Camera
3) 2019 Latest New Model IPC-T2831T-ZS 8MP Starlight Lite IR Vari-focal Eyeball Nework Camera

And does anyone have any experience with running a Cat6 cable via conduit in freezing temps ?
Research is one thing (black and white) - reality (colored version) is another...
 
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Im in Andys store and looking at vari cams - can someone suggest which cam to purchase....
This isnt about $$$ - nor is it about "well Steve told me to buy it - HighSchool BS"

Thats just not me...

Its about simply grabbing a cam that will allow me the most options to learn (play) from...

1) IPC-T3441T-ZAS 4MP Starlight Lite AI IR Vari-focal Eyeball Network Camera
2) IPC-T5442T-ZE 4MP Starlight IR Vari-focal Eyeball Network Camera
3) 2019 Latest New Model IPC-T2831T-ZS 8MP Starlight Lite IR Vari-focal Eyeball Nework Camera

And does anyone have any experience with running a Cat6 cable via conduit in freezing temps ?
Research is one thing (black and white) - reality (colored version) is another...
running conduit in freezing temp? are you planning to run PVC or EMT? either way...freezing temps make no difference. The cat6 may be a tad more stiffer but shouldnt matter.
 

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Don't go with the 2831. 8MP won't perform well at night or other very low light conditions at least in color mode.

I'd stick with the 5442T-ZE because it's a varifocal and has a built-in mic.

As far as running conduit in the cold, wear gloves!
 

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Excellent guys ....
Thinking of running via conduit ... VIVO Black 500ft Bulk Cat6, CCA Ethernet Cable, 23 AWG, UTP Pull Box, Cat-6 Wire, Waterproof, Outdoor, Direct Burial (CABLE-V012) (Amazon)
 

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Don't go with the 2831. 8MP won't perform well at night or other very low light conditions at least in color mode.

I'd stick with the 5442T-ZE because it's a varifocal and has a built-in mic.

As far as running conduit in the cold, wear gloves!
Ahhh true CDNs dont wear gloves until Jan M8...
 

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Don't go with the 2831. 8MP won't perform well at night or other very low light conditions at least in color mode.

I'd stick with the 5442T-ZE because it's a varifocal and has a built-in mic.

As far as running conduit in the cold, wear gloves!
Can you recommend a Dahua NVR to go with the 5442T-ZE? I found a Dahua N52B2P for $489. Thanks.
 
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