Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

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I was making a comparison. We have very limited data of Earth's climate. Maybe a century and a half's worth, as accurate instruments are a fairly recent discovery. Yet, many scientists seem to be ok with using this very thin slice of data to make assumptions on the status of our climate.

My point was that it would be similar for a scientist to take a thin slice of pandemic infection data (say a few hours), and use that data to assume the status of the pandemic.

It doesn't work. We've all seen the graphs, flattening the curve, etc.

We don't have an accurate graph of the earths climate from 1000 years ago. Or a million, or a billion, regardless of what they say core samples infer. They are not that accurate, and are cherry picked.

Sorry, got off topic on that one.
Hi @Jessie.slimer

1) Actually this is factually incorrect:
I was making a comparison. We have very limited data of Earth's climate. Maybe a century and a half's worth, ...

If you want to not believe, that's up to you - but it is a complete falsehood that we have only a century and a half's worth of climate data.

Lots of resources online if you really care to learn more about science and the scientific methods.

2) My point was that it would be similar for a scientist to take a thin slice of pandemic infection data (say a few hours), and use that data to assume the status of the pandemic.

I don't recall any scientists being ignorant of data sampling and potential issues with statistics. Again this is why science is encouraged to share their methods and data so that it can be reviewed. That's the scientific process. To test and fact check.
 

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I don't recall any scientists being ignorant of data sampling and potential issues with statistics.
I agree there when it comes to the pandemic. Thats why I made mention of all the graphs of flattening the curve. The science definitely has the data in this case.

But I will disagree on climate data. Show me all the data you want, but I'm not buying. All the samples are interpreted by humans. There is no direct measurements of temp, pressure, etc.

They didn't even know what direction it was heading just a couple decades ago. Wasn't it global warming? Then global cooling? Then....wait for it.... climate change.

I've heard it a few times on this exact thread. Scientists change their views as data becomes available. I get it. But I haven't seen enough data to make a decision. Maybe its true, but I won't be around long enough to see the data from this cycle.
 

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I've heard it a few times on this exact thread. Scientists change their views as data becomes available. I get it.
I was speaking with a scientist yesterday who told me that our knowledge evolves as new data is recorded. He made a point to emphasize that data is "information" which is truly "IN" "FORMATION"
 
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Interesting read this here be...

The congressional underclass erupts in fury after Gohmert gets Covid-19

For months, the leaders of Congress have allowed lawmakers to enter the Capitol without being screened for the deadly virus, rejecting an offer from the White House to provide rapid testing while trusting that the thousands who work across the massive complex of offices, meeting rooms and hallways will behave responsibly.

Now, legislative aides, chiefs of staff, press assistants, members of Congress, career workers and maintenance men and women are venting their fury with an institution that does not have uniform rules or masking requirements, does not mandate testing, is run with minimal oversight and must contend with a gaggle of lawmakers who doubt scientists and hold themselves out as experts on everything from disease hygiene to pharmacology.
Our office has been required to be fully staffed since session resumed at the end of June (including an intern),” a scheduler for a House Republican member said. “While mask use isn’t banned, it’s also not encouraged, and has been derided on several occasions by the [chief of staff] and the member.”
An administrative staffer who often visits multiple offices estimated that mask wearing was “nearly universal in Democratic offices” but was “probably under 50 percent” among Republicans.
Masking has become a “political minefield” that creates awkward encounters on occasion, this person recounted: “Some GOP offices ask why you are wearing a mask, which puts our staff in an awkward position — do you say because of the pandemic and risk the office taking that as a political stand? Do you take it off to make them feel better?”
 

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Tobacco related/smoking deaths are responsible for 480,000 deaths per year in the US. Yet any adult can go buy them. Why are we ruining many peoples economic future over the coronavirus? And risking a recession or depression? Just a thought.
I haven't read every page of this, so if it has been brought up before, sorry.
 
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The problem is this is a "Novel" Coronavirus. A lot needs to be learned before deemed safe to venture safely outside
Forget about "Big Brother is Watching You"
This is for every single human being on this planet: "The novel coronavirus is finding you"

Tobacco related/smoking deaths are responsible for 480,000 deaths per year in the US. Yet any adult can go buy them. Why are we ruining many peoples economic future over the coronavirus? And risking a recession or depression? Just a thought.
I haven't read every page of this, so if it has been brought up before, sorry.
 

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Tobacco related/smoking deaths are responsible for 480,000 deaths per year in the US. Yet any adult can go buy them. Why are we ruining many peoples economic future over the coronavirus? And risking a recession or depression? Just a thought.
I haven't read every page of this, so if it has been brought up before, sorry.
If you smoke you put yourself at risk. Most places ban smoking in public settings to reduce harm caused by smoke to others. So, smoking is a harm you bring on yourself and those you live with.

The virus doesn't follow such neat and tidy rules. If we don't work hard to contain it most of us might get it and millions could die.

Is this hard to understand?

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I have a bad feeling the tri-state area has yet to see the worst

If you smoke you put yourself at risk. Most places ban smoking in public settings to reduce harm caused by smoke to others. So, smoking is a harm you bring on yourself and those you live with.

The virus doesn't follow such neat and tidy rules. If we don't work hard to contain it most of us might get it and millions could die.

Is this hard to understand?

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Sweden, Which Never Had Lockdown, Sees COVID-19 Cases Plummet as Rest of Europe Suffers Spike

Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.

The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).

Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.

The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.

The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.

However, the Scandinavian nation ranks eighth among countries with the highest number of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. It outranks the U.S. and Brazil, which are the world's first and second worst-hit nations in terms of total cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Last week Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, who has led the country's COVID-19 response, said the nation's controversial anti-lockdown strategy has been a success "to a great extent," in an interview with UnHerd.

 

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Sweden, Which Never Had Lockdown, Sees COVID-19 Cases Plummet as Rest of Europe Suffers Spike

Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.

The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).

Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.

The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.

The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.

However, the Scandinavian nation ranks eighth among countries with the highest number of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. It outranks the U.S. and Brazil, which are the world's first and second worst-hit nations in terms of total cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Last week Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, who has led the country's COVID-19 response, said the nation's controversial anti-lockdown strategy has been a success "to a great extent," in an interview with UnHerd.

Could it be that when the dust settles Sweden will be looked at more correctly and favorably? They did not put Millions of people out of work. They did not force 10's of thousands of business owners out of business completely. And all the ramifications in relations to just those 2 points. National debt, bankrupting people, and the health problems associated with that.
 

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At 15:27 is a key statement... and 1:19:15


Can't see the fascist Leftist allowing this to air for long.

Of course the Leftist are going to focus on one thing and one thing only, the Nigerian doctor. Frontline Doctors should have vetted better. I did a quick search initially, when I posted the videos that got taken down, and saw things that I knew the Leftist were going to focus on regarding her. I will say that this group probably felt (considering todays ginned up racial climate) compelled to have as many possible Black doctors in the group in DC, as the other Black doctors that were in the morning meeting, were remote and did not make it to DC.

That doctor saying hydroxychloroquine combo could have saved 3/4 of the dead in the US (approximately 100k lives) is highly alarming.
 
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Money speaks in the medical field. Its important to pick up pertinent information directly from the source and not from a messenger. Talk to the experts that are actually researching the mechanism of actions of these drugs, and not the primary care providers. I don't see every medical doctor giving a damn about your life. ;) Malpractice is on the rise.
 

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Sweden, Which Never Had Lockdown, Sees COVID-19 Cases Plummet as Rest of Europe Suffers Spike

Amid fears over a potential second wave of the novel coronavirus across Europe, new infections in Sweden, where full lockdown measures were not implemented, have mostly declined since late June.

The number of new cases per 100,000 people in Sweden reported over the last 14 days since July 29 dropped by 54 percent from the figure reported over 14 days prior to then, according to the latest report Wednesday from the World Health Organization (WHO).

Meanwhile, other parts of Europe have reported large spikes in new cases over the same period, including Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, which have seen increases between 40 and 200 percent over the last month, according to the latest WHO report Wednesday.

The seven-day rolling average of Sweden's daily new cases has been dropping consistently since June 29. Its daily case count has been mostly decreasing since June 24, when it reported 1,803 new infections, its largest single-day spike since the outbreak began, according to data compiled by Worldometer.

The seven-day rolling average of daily new deaths in Sweden has also been declining since around April 15, when it reported a record daily death count of 115. The country's latest seven-day rolling averages for daily new cases and daily new deaths stand at 154 and 2.

However, the Scandinavian nation ranks eighth among countries with the highest number of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. It outranks the U.S. and Brazil, which are the world's first and second worst-hit nations in terms of total cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Last week Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, who has led the country's COVID-19 response, said the nation's controversial anti-lockdown strategy has been a success "to a great extent," in an interview with UnHerd.

Could it be that when the dust settles Sweden will be looked at more correctly and favorably? They did not put Millions of people out of work. They did not force 10's of thousands of business owners out of business completely. And all the ramifications in relations to just those 2 points. National debt, bankrupting people, and the health problems associated with that.

Ummm... guys? Did you READ the article? Much less, think about it? Do a little research for comparison?

Sweden is Europe's disaster scenario, pretty much, due to lack of formal lockdowns. It's coming under control now due to the ramping up of restrictions and controls along with strong urging by the government for people to adjust their lifestyles. People there actually largely do what the government asks, rather than saying face masks violate the constitution or some such. The fact that things are getting better there now is great but it has been a long time coming.

Let's look at the numbers. Sweden is a Nordic country with a way of life very similar to its neighbors Finland and Norway. So direct comparison with those countries makes sense. Norway and Finland had moderately strong lockown measures and strong compliance with the request by their government for people to distance. So, how did they do comparatively?

Deaths per million people:

Norway: 47 deaths per million people
Finland: 59 deaths per million people
Sweden: 568 deaths per million people.

You can look at overall cases per/million people, and again sweden is much higher in terms of cases per million, but it's the deaths that tell the biggest story.
SWEDEN, BY NOT LOCKING DOWN FORMALLY, SACRIFICED 10X AS MANY PEOPLE PER CAPITA, THAN ITS NORDIC NEIGHBORS.

What about the relative spike mentioned in the article, where much of Europe is seeing a surge? Norway and Finland are seeing just a handful of new cases each day, and zero or one deaths per day. Things are fine there, not spiking much if at all. Sweden is still seeing hundreds of new cases per day though their death rate is now quite low, a few a day to match their neighbors. Let's review, keeping in mind that Sweden has almost twice as many people living there (10.1M) than either Finland (5.5M) or Norway (5.4M):

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Everything I have read suggests Sweden's economy took a similar hit to its neighbors, despite the drastic increase in death toll comparatively.

So, in which Nordic country would you prefer to live? For me, it would not be Sweden.
 
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