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This one might be the king of bad covid information:
TEXAS COUNTY DROPS FROM 4600+ ACTIVE COVID CASES TO UNDER 100 AFTER AUDIT
The story says the count provided by a state agency was questioned because the county's hospitals weren't overloaded. As with all of this suspicious looking covid information, I don't know which figure (if either) is correct. I just can't help noticing that 4600 and 100 are kind of far apart, and at least one of those numbers must be very incorrect.
TEXAS COUNTY DROPS FROM 4600+ ACTIVE COVID CASES TO UNDER 100 AFTER AUDIT
The story says the count provided by a state agency was questioned because the county's hospitals weren't overloaded. As with all of this suspicious looking covid information, I don't know which figure (if either) is correct. I just can't help noticing that 4600 and 100 are kind of far apart, and at least one of those numbers must be very incorrect.
Something tells me these counts were are all internally miscalculated to sabotage the election
We all know the NYT's target audience. However, I wonder how long it took them to come up with this
www.nytimes.com
There should be a new national security policy. If one country has or is suspected to have a viral outbreak, every country in the world should ban travel from that infected country. Period. When this virus first popped up in Wuhan, that is when the world should have reacted (not waiting for confirmation from WHO)
One Meeting in Boston Seeded Tens of Thousands of Infections, Study Finds (Published 2020)
A February meeting of biotech executives became a coronavirus “superspreading” event with a transmission chain across the globe.
There should be a new national security policy. If one country has or is suspected to have a viral outbreak, every country in the world should ban travel from that infected country. Period. When this virus first popped up in Wuhan, that is when the world should have reacted (not waiting for confirmation from WHO)
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To be fair, I don’t know how accurate the “active vs recovered” number for any location could be or that it matters all that much.
I mean to be certain they’d need to call and or test everyone who was ever diagnosed with it daily to know. I suppose you could get an accurate count of those hospitalized vs discharged... but not those who were never hospitalized to begin with or were sent home from ER the same day.
I look at new “cases” and deaths which are quite a bit easier to identify.
I do think politics in the US have unfortunately played a role, but in aggregate the percentage numbers play out close enough across the globe that I don’t see how any massive cover up is possible.
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New CDC data is showing that only 6% of reported covid-19 deaths were from covid-19 alone, with the other 94% having significant underlying conditions. (By "significant" I mean that the average number of underlying conditions is high, specifically 2.6).
"out of the 161,392 deaths in the CDC data, just six percent, about 9,700 deaths, were attributed to the coronavirus alone. "
More fuel for the debate over how serious this thing is. Here's the Shockingly Small Number of People Who Died From Only the Coronavirus
This article unfortunately gets political. Personally I'd rather "have just the facts ma'am". The link on the word "disclosed" in the first line of the article goes to the CDC page with the info. A click on "comorbidities" goes to the specific data.
"out of the 161,392 deaths in the CDC data, just six percent, about 9,700 deaths, were attributed to the coronavirus alone. "
More fuel for the debate over how serious this thing is. Here's the Shockingly Small Number of People Who Died From Only the Coronavirus
This article unfortunately gets political. Personally I'd rather "have just the facts ma'am". The link on the word "disclosed" in the first line of the article goes to the CDC page with the info. A click on "comorbidities" goes to the specific data.
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Well, what do you expect from highly conservatively-biased townhall.com ("use promo code wuhan for 25% off!"). At least like you said they provided a link (HERE) to the original CDC article with full table, not just the redacted one TownHall showed.
The premise of the article was that instead of shutting down the whole economy, let's let the no-comorbidity folks go about their business while we protect the sick and elderly behind closed doors. Sounds reasonable enough until you look at the actual comorbidity table the CDC put out.
(my screen shot got cut off but the list goes on down all the way to R99, which means "anything else undefined")
Take a look. This shows things like flu and respiratory failure as a comorbidity. Duh. Many people with COVID also got the flu. No surprise. And covid folks died with hacked up lungs. Big shock. And 13000+ had chronic respiratory diseases (that will include things like asthma). A lot of them had high blood pressure (hypertensive diseases). Or diabetes. Or they were fat. Or had cancer. Or, my favorite which made up nearly half of the data set, "all other conditions and causes" which basically covers any pre-existing condition on record based on the range of ICD-10 codes. For example, I get migraines. That's G43.909 on my record; I get them routinely so that would be a comorbidity if I died of COVID-19. That's covered in the chart by the range of G31-H95, along with SO MANY other things... just on one of the twenty or so ranges they lumped in there. My kids have ADHD. That's in there.
So... back to the idea where we protect the vulnerable while letting everyone else go back to work. The people covered by the comorbidity table includes pretty much EVERYONE IN THE US because very few households have NOBODY with ANY risk factors living there. Remember, there's nowhere near enough room in protective facilities for everyone with a pre-existing condition to magically go live live there. People with comorbidities (really, pre-existing condition) or who live in a home with at least one person who has one is MOST OF THE POPULATION.
Of course the author knew this. He just didn't talk about it because it got in the way of a tidy narrative of cherry picking the CDC article while suggesting the pandemic is fake, or at least overblown, news.
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I haven't been following Covid as much lately. Has the curve been flattened? Thats what we were going for, right? Don't overload the hospitals....
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The summer spike in cases is tailng off in the hotspot states. Deaths remain around 1000/day gradually declining. Trend is decline in the cities as people got serious about masking etc. Uptick now is in rural communities last I heard. Data from early opening schools/colleges suggests spread happens easily in those environments. It's too early to tell whether that translates into transmission to higher risk individuals at home.
Florida hospital were a nightmare from what I heard as well as Texas but they are reportedly doing better now.
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I had hoped to acknowledge this by highlighting that the article had political content, and that it adds fuel to the debate. I still hold the viewpoint that practically everything we hear about covid-19, even from the scientists, is politically manipulated. With over 451k comorbidities listed for ~161k deaths it's impossible to determine which of the comorbidities caused or contributed to the deaths, and which were an honest result of covid-19. Even if this comorbidity data was reasonably correct, it can be spun as anywhere from "no big deal" to "the sky is falling", too often baed one one's political leanings. I just look at all of it and hope to make some sense out of it. Franken, your input is a useful part of this process. I'm feeling a bit guilty that I'm an underlying cause of you spending so much time on it.
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And of course the "fiery but mostly peaceful protesters" had nothing to do with the spike. It was all those church people
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Oh poor Joe... camela has to be so happy of how things would eventually turn out if poor joe gets elected.
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I agree that everything is politicized for sure. But, that doesn't mean a data dump from the CDC is wrong, or political in and of itself. It's just data, and CDC's job is to collect, sort, and make sense of it. They aren't perfect, but they have a long history of staying out of the political fray.
This particular data set is simply an analysis of what was listed on death certificates, basically. The data came from all over the US, and every doctor who fills out one might make a somewhat different call about what to put on there. But when you look at it in aggregate, the data point to trends. Old, fat, diabetic, heart condition, etc.: these folks are higher risk, and if you do comparisons, you will find these risk factors weigh in much more with COVID-19 than the flu, hence the high death rate.
Anyway, it's just data, to be analyzed or ignored.
What steams me is when people deliberately misinterpret what's being said. Then tweet about it... then retweet it, creating a fake news buzz.
Twitter Removes Claim About CDC And Covid-19 Coronavirus Deaths That Trump Retweeted
“Only 6%” was trending on Twitter, because a QAnon supporter made inaccurate claims regarding a CDC statement about Covid-19 coronavirus deaths.
www.forbes.com
The right wing press will do anything to prop up his pandemic performance, including outright lies. Sure the left wing wants to take him down, but the facts are on our side.
Oh, PS. This stuff doesn't take much of my time. No need for guilt. I was reviewing the data over the weekend out of my own personal interest.
From the Forbes article linked above Twitter Removes Claim About CDC And Covid-19 Coronavirus Deaths That Trump Retweeted:
"Thus, the 6% did not mean that “only 6%” of the 161,392 deaths (as of August 26) recorded by the CDC were actually from Covid-19 as Mel Q suggested. No, Covid-19 has killed far more people than that, over 183,000 in the U.S. according to the Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center as of August 30. "
Three sentences in that paragraph. The first two correctly refute the "only 6%" claim, then the next sentence makes an equally outrageous and brainless claim in the opposite direction.
In the general sense it's not that complicated. Using the CDC numbers, rounded off:
161k deaths with covid-19 listed on death certificate.
151k listed other conditions.
10k did not list other conditions.
One political side says all deaths with covid-19 were caused by covid-19.
Other side says all deaths with an additional condition listed were caused by the additional condition.
As an example, for those who died with both diabetes and covid-19, one side says covid-19 caused the death in all cases, the other side says diabetes caused the death in all cases. Idiots on both sides. I have little faith that we'll ever know the real truth.
"Thus, the 6% did not mean that “only 6%” of the 161,392 deaths (as of August 26) recorded by the CDC were actually from Covid-19 as Mel Q suggested. No, Covid-19 has killed far more people than that, over 183,000 in the U.S. according to the Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center as of August 30. "
Three sentences in that paragraph. The first two correctly refute the "only 6%" claim, then the next sentence makes an equally outrageous and brainless claim in the opposite direction.
In the general sense it's not that complicated. Using the CDC numbers, rounded off:
161k deaths with covid-19 listed on death certificate.
151k listed other conditions.
10k did not list other conditions.
One political side says all deaths with covid-19 were caused by covid-19.
Other side says all deaths with an additional condition listed were caused by the additional condition.
As an example, for those who died with both diabetes and covid-19, one side says covid-19 caused the death in all cases, the other side says diabetes caused the death in all cases. Idiots on both sides. I have little faith that we'll ever know the real truth.
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Hi @tigerwillow1 , I'm not sure what's brainless about the third sentence. To date, well over 180k people in the US have died due to COVID-19. It's a fact. It's not in contradiction with the two earlier sentences.
The CDC data released on 8/26 covered the period ending 8/22. The last part of the data are incomplete due to the time it takes between a person dying and the date of that record being processed, reported, and aggregated. So, on 8/26 there were 161,392 deaths in the database for the period ending 8/22. The data page indicated that these data were provisional and incomplete toward the end due to this reporting lag. But about a thousand Americans are dying every day, so the total number dead so far is well into the 180ks. There are several aggregators of the data, but it all comes from the same source: local/state records that are made public. Some of the data streams are available more rapidly and openly than others. For example, most states give a daily count of how many people died yesterday (to the extent that the death is recorded and registered with the state health office). That data has no personally identifiable information, and flows quickly.
Records including comorbidities etc. is much more protected and individual records aren't available for scrutiny by the likes of us, for privacy reasons.
Anyway, there's no conflict between 180+k as of today (Worldometers count: 188,070 as of this moment), and the CDC data ending 8/22.
Let's be clear: no large data set is likely to be perfect. Dig enough, and you'll find someone who died of a car accident or shot among the records, or something like that. But these are RARE exceptions, certainly way less than 1% of the deaths. The rest of these people died when they did because they were infected with the virus. It doesn't matter if they would have died anyway within a day, week, month, or year... their cause of death was COVID19.
There aren't two equally credentialed sides in this thing. There's the official records that represent the best attempt at reporting what's going on, that get aggregated by CDC, JHU, Worldometers, etc... these data are probably not perfect but certainly are very accurate, and then there's the Trump / alt-right that is trying to downplay the whole thing.
The CDC data released on 8/26 covered the period ending 8/22. The last part of the data are incomplete due to the time it takes between a person dying and the date of that record being processed, reported, and aggregated. So, on 8/26 there were 161,392 deaths in the database for the period ending 8/22. The data page indicated that these data were provisional and incomplete toward the end due to this reporting lag. But about a thousand Americans are dying every day, so the total number dead so far is well into the 180ks. There are several aggregators of the data, but it all comes from the same source: local/state records that are made public. Some of the data streams are available more rapidly and openly than others. For example, most states give a daily count of how many people died yesterday (to the extent that the death is recorded and registered with the state health office). That data has no personally identifiable information, and flows quickly.
Records including comorbidities etc. is much more protected and individual records aren't available for scrutiny by the likes of us, for privacy reasons.
Anyway, there's no conflict between 180+k as of today (Worldometers count: 188,070 as of this moment), and the CDC data ending 8/22.
Let's be clear: no large data set is likely to be perfect. Dig enough, and you'll find someone who died of a car accident or shot among the records, or something like that. But these are RARE exceptions, certainly way less than 1% of the deaths. The rest of these people died when they did because they were infected with the virus. It doesn't matter if they would have died anyway within a day, week, month, or year... their cause of death was COVID19.
There aren't two equally credentialed sides in this thing. There's the official records that represent the best attempt at reporting what's going on, that get aggregated by CDC, JHU, Worldometers, etc... these data are probably not perfect but certainly are very accurate, and then there's the Trump / alt-right that is trying to downplay the whole thing.
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So is it true that nancy pelosi illegally used her staff to schedule an illegal indoor haircut at a hair salon and also did not use a mask?
Is it True that gavin newsome illegally had a hairstylist inside his home.
Are these the same hypocrites that are denying millions of people the ability to work and bring in an income? All the while they are not missing one high paying paycheck on the taxpayers dole?
Guaranteed you won't hear a word about this from the leftists fake news outlets.
Is it True that gavin newsome illegally had a hairstylist inside his home.
Are these the same hypocrites that are denying millions of people the ability to work and bring in an income? All the while they are not missing one high paying paycheck on the taxpayers dole?
Guaranteed you won't hear a word about this from the leftists fake news outlets.
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Brilliant. Haircut-gate.
Meanwhile Trump was downplaying the severity of the growing summer spike even as he was continually briefed on the expanding crisis.
Lock him up! Lock him up!
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Meanwhile Trump was downplaying the severity of the growing summer spike even as he was continually briefed on the expanding crisis.
Lock him up! Lock him up!
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