Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

I didnt get a chance to watch, but Im reading that



Only according to dysfunctional adolescents and those who get their information from CNN.
I thought Pence did what was expected: exude smoothness and republican talking points while avoiding saying anything that will bite Trump in the a$$. He accomplished this with skillful avoidance of direct questioning on abortion and peaceful transition of power. Harris did what I expected: show energy and empathy while parroting democratic talking points. She did fine.

Given both performed to expectation, the winner of the debate would be likely the one who accomplished their mission. For Harris it was to not flub anything serious. She accomplished that. For Pence it was to change the narrative, momentum and connect with suburban soccer moms. He did NOT do that. Not only did his points not resonate with them from all reports, the optics of him talking over and interrupting the two women on stage was disastrous from that perspective. I think the debate changes nothing about the race, so Harris wins by default.

Back to pandemic topics: Your zerhohedge article is the same stuff reported by BBC yesterday; it was done in response actually to the NEJM declaration about Trump being a public health threat who should be voted out of office. Doctors aren't a monolithic group (actually, about half the doctors I know are republicans, but few if any support Trump) so it's not surprising to see a group of "doctors and scientists" who sign up for the herd immunity shtick. What they forget is that the young and healthy who are at low risk interact with / live with those that aren't. My kids are healthy; I'm not overly worried about them getting infected. But I'm 53 and (just barely) considered obese; I'm at high risk. My wife is a cancer survivor. She's at very high risk. If one of our kids brings it home from school, it's the two parents who might wind up in the hospital or morgue. Somewhere there was a review of what percentage of households have someone living there that is either old or has a preexisting condition that gives significant risk. It's more than half of multi-person households. And factor in that those of us in the workforce who are at risk need to interact with people to do our jobs (my wife works in a health care facility, for example), it quickly becomes apparent that there is no island to put the at risk people on while they are tended to by "naturally immune" COVID survivors.

We've got a couple months to go before those at highest practical risk can start getting one of the vaccines. Despite some recent talk of side effects from the Pfizer vaccine, it's likely that the safety data will look good when it can be reviewed, likely starting late November or early December. Other vaccine candidates are hot on the heels. It will take a while before we've got everyone vaccinated (who wishes to be), but there is light in the tunnel.
 
I've been noticing a lot of idiots lately either A). Not wearing masks and B). Wearing masks below their chins
 
I've been noticing a lot of idiots lately either A). Not wearing masks and B). Wearing masks below their chins
Yeah, they listen to Trump who keeps downplaying the need for masks and making fun of those who wear them.

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Just a casual, anecdotal and not a double blind study, observation, but many of the people wearing masks below the nose that I've seen also have signs of being Biden voters, hats, bumper stickers and so on indicating their misinformed political viewpoint.
 
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Just a casual, anecdotal and not a double blind study, observation, but many of the people wearing masks below the nose that I've seen also have signs of being Biden voters, hats, bumper stickers and so on indicating their misinformed political viewpoint.
Stupidity and carelessness span all political affiliations.
 
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No, that was a deliberate omission. While she may be ignorant in her political views, she is't that stupid.
 
Over 7,000 Scientists, Doctors Call For COVID Herd Immunity, End To Lockdowns
Here comes the discrediting of 7000 scientists and doctors. They are not real scientists or doctors. They were bad scientists or doctors even before they said this. Blah, blah, blah...
 
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Woke up this morning and casually checked my SpO2 using a pulse oximeter (Made in China btw). Initial reading was showing 93 and that freaked me out. For the last 24 hours I felt hoarseness in my voice. I checked again a few minutes later and then it showed 97, checked again, 98, checked again 99. Did some exercise this morning and the oximeter still shows 99. This is puzzling. My Oximeter shows as being approved by the FDA. I think the FDA needs to reevaluate some of the stuff coming out of China. The same goes with disposable masks.
 
Wonder if Pence is checking his O2 levels? He had a bad case of pink eye during the debate and there is speculation it could be an early COVID-19 symptom.

Arjun, do you routinely check your O2 levels in the morning? If you often have low O2 in mornings could be a sign of sleep apnea.

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Poop definitely can trigger it, though it's more commonly viral. However, I think the BS meter for the evening points to Pence... flies are attracted to BS and THE FLY DON'T LIE!
 
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Excellent Point ;) I have been feeling fatigue since last week (ever since the temps dropped in the Northeast). :)

Wonder if Pence is checking his O2 levels? He had a bad case of pink eye during the debate and there is speculation it could be an early COVID-19 symptom.

Arjun, do you routinely check your O2 levels in the morning? If you often have low O2 in mornings could be a sign of sleep apnea.

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There two ways to combat this 1). Only buy goods when you actually need them 2). Stop buying goods from China altogether and start giving other damn countries a chance to mass produce disposable goods

Heck, start mass producing on the African continent
Heck, give other countries a chance, lift up poor countries out of poverty


problem with a lot of Chinese products is they don't mind advertising a product meets some specification without actually meeting them.
 
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There two ways to combat this 1). Only buy goods when you actually need them 2). Stop buying goods from China altogether and start giving other damn countries a chance to mass produce disposable goods

Heck, start mass producing on the African continent
Heck, give other countries a chance, lift up poor countries out of poverty
I buy american whenever it's possible / practical even at higher cost. The practical bit is the harder one for me; even with google it's hard to know when Made in USA is available, or whether such claims are true.

But try to buy a made in the USA blender with no Chinese parts

Offshoring to other places (Africa etc) doesn't help us... We need to increase capacity here. But the economics are tough.

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Here is an article about the "GBD" that explains how it came about and the lack of verification of credentials of the "thousands of scientists and doctors" who just had to check a tickbox on a form.


Given more and more evidence that the US is at about 10% or just a bit more than that having been infected already, and if we just go about our business as though nothing here happening we would expect to see our death toll go up several told before any herd immunity kicks in. And that assumes natural immunity last more than a few months which is increasingly not being taken for granted based on immunological studies still going on.

Fortunately it is unlikely to matter; vaccines coming soon (likely by end of year for first recipients) so we are almost through the worst of this.

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