Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

[tigerwillow1]

Here's an article that supports the theory that covid deaths are over-counted:
Are dying with COVID-19 and dying from COVID-19 the same thing? In Oregon, they are

Some snips if you don't want to read the whole thing:

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be:
Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge.

So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?
“It would be,”

He added that the state follows the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines for reporting deaths.
[comment added: So this person is saying the whole darn country is doing it the same way!]

“But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”
[comment added: They're intentionally collecting the data for another purpose and mis-labeling it]

Other families across Oregon are also questioning why their loved ones are being counted as COVID-19 deaths, including the family of a 26-year-old Oregon man who was listed as a COVID-19 death but tested negative for the virus.

 

[Q™]

Undoubtedly a purposeful well-planned nationwide conspiracy To make Trump look bad. So unfair!

 

[Frankenscript]

Here's an article that supports the theory that covid deaths are over-counted:
Are dying with COVID-19 and dying from COVID-19 the same thing? In Oregon, they are

Some snips if you don't want to read the whole thing:

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be:
Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge.

So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?
“It would be,”

He added that the state follows the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines for reporting deaths.
[comment added: So this person is saying the whole darn country is doing it the same way!]

“But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”
[comment added: They're intentionally collecting the data for another purpose and mis-labeling it]

Other families across Oregon are also questioning why their loved ones are being counted as COVID-19 deaths, including the family of a 26-year-old Oregon man who was listed as a COVID-19 death but tested negative for the virus.

In any large data gathering exercise, there are dumb things done, and some error in the data. The hypothetical motorcycle crash death counted as COVID-19 would count as one of those dumb things, as would the real cancer death in the article cited. But these cases are statistically rare. Given that at any one time, only a tiny fraction of the population would test positive for COVID-19, these are a very small error burden in the data. Speaking with some doctors I know, this is estimated as "much less than a percent of the COVID-19-attributed deaths."

A much larger error burden comes from deaths not attributed to COVID-19 because at the time of death there was no reason (or capability, particularly early on) to do so. We are now finding that COVID-19 causes all manner of problems like blood clots and complications with diabetes that don't specifically track with "a flu-like respiratory virus." The only practical way to get at this data is to look at the all causes death rate, compared to expected death rate based on prior years and current year trends. The data are being analyzed and many big studies are getting access to samples where possible to do retrospective work, but in many cases there are no samples and the bodies have been cremated. Different docs I talk to give different answers, but the range I get is that so far, we're under-counting deaths anywhere from 15%-25%.

Data from a recent JAMANET article support this as do CDC data ( see here and also here ). Here's a good link that boils it down.

 

[mat200]

Another Dr / MD whose videos have been censored by Youtube for conflicts with WHO guidelines and...

Drbeen:
Illustrates in Corona Virus book references covering SARS, MERS - prior Corona Virii - that
1) Droplet and Aerosol spread
2) International Air Travel helps spread
3) Isolation, Quarantine, Travel restrictions, Gloves, Goans, and Goggles are needed to combat...

WHO should have been up to date with this information, and should have been able to have expected SARS-CoV-2 to have behaved similar to SARS-CoV (1)

WHO - World Health Organization A Performance Review
Drbeen Medical Lectures Aug 8, 2020

14th Jan WHO tweets no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission
27th January - WHO is advices against the travel restriction
28th Jan - WHO Has Admitted an Error in Its Assessment of Wuhan Coronavirus Risk
11th March WHO says it is a pandemic on 11th March
29th Feb WHO is still advising against the travel in the areas of outbreak

Hydroxychloroquine stance
May 22nd Surgisphere says HCQ does not work
May 25th WHO temporarily stops HCQ Study
June 5th Study is retracted
June 3rd WHO resumes HCQ study
June 17th WHO stops HCQ study
July 4th WHO Stops HCQ Trials

Masks Stance
March 31st 2020 - WHO stands by their don’t wear mask recommendation
June 8th WHO changes its stance on masks

 

[mat200]

3 phases of COVID-19

1) Viral Dominance
2) Immune Dominance ( Cytokine Storm here for some... )
3) Virus and/or immune chronicity ( long haulers )


Vaccines Update (Aug 3rd 2020)
Drbeen Medical Lectures

 

[Parley]

U.K. Scientists Say Hydroxychloroquine May Still Have Promise for Covid-19, No Drug Has Been Politicized Like This

British scientists have said hydroxychloroquine may still have promise as a preventive treatment for COVID-19 but the drug has become so politicized that studies investigating whether or not it is effective are being hampered.

A large trial known as COPCOV being led by the University of Oxford, U.K., the Wellcome Trust and the Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit (MORU) in Thailand is aiming to enrol more than 40,000 frontline health care workers and staff who have close contact with COVID-19 patients.

The goal is to investigate whether or not hydroxychloroquine and the related drug chloroquine are effective in preventing or reducing the severity of COVID-19 infections. But one of the scientists involved, Nick White, a professor of tropical medicine at Oxford University told Newsweek that conducting hydroxychloroquine studies has become more difficult because the drug has been politicized like no other medication.

"(The politicization) has been a major impediment to conducting the clinical trials needed to provide the answers the questions above. It has adversely affected the performance of regulatory authorities, and it has polarized media opinion and public attitudes," White told Newsweek.

In the U.K., the regulatory body for medicines halted trials into the drug following the publication of a paper in The Lancet that sparked fears of increased deaths from its use against COVID-19.

This paper was later retracted because of flaws in the data, and trials were subsequently allowed to restart. However, White said the controversy over the drug, which has been touted by President Donald Trump and other high profile figures like Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro, has made it more difficult to recruit participants while hospitals have also pulled out of the trial, the BBC reported.

Earlier in the pandemic, hydroxychloroquine showed some promise for the treatment of COVID-19 in some small, preliminary trials.

U.K. Scientists Say Hydroxychloroquine May Still Have Promise

The drug has been touted for the treatment of COVID-19 by President Donald Trump and other high profile figures like Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Parley]

Here's an article that supports the theory that covid deaths are over-counted:
Are dying with COVID-19 and dying from COVID-19 the same thing? In Oregon, they are

Some snips if you don't want to read the whole thing:

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be:
Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge.

So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?
“It would be,”

He added that the state follows the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines for reporting deaths.
[comment added: So this person is saying the whole darn country is doing it the same way!]

“But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”
[comment added: They're intentionally collecting the data for another purpose and mis-labeling it]

Other families across Oregon are also questioning why their loved ones are being counted as COVID-19 deaths, including the family of a 26-year-old Oregon man who was listed as a COVID-19 death but tested negative for the virus.

No doubt in my mind that politics is playing a huge roll in the Covid-19 virus count. I think you are right on the money. The Democrats and the media have just turned this into another scheme to try and get rid of President Trump. Look no further than Nancy Pelosi calling it the "Trump virus".

 

[Frankenscript]

Interesting how Parley's quoted article missed the part on the original Newsweek source that said several major studies showed HQ had no benefit....


Meanwhile, the sabotaging of the pandemic era election continues with further hobbling of the postal service:

'Friday Night Massacre' at US Postal Service as Postmaster General—a Major Trump Donor—Ousts Top Officials

"America is in a dead sprint to authoritarianism. The man is pulling out all the stops to prevent the citizens of this country from holding a legitimate election in which he might face removal from office."

www.commondreams.org

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[Arjun]

South and East Asian countries are still using HCQ in the fight against COVID-19 cases in-spite of mixed reports

U.K. Scientists Say Hydroxychloroquine May Still Have Promise for Covid-19, No Drug Has Been Politicized Like This

British scientists have said hydroxychloroquine may still have promise as a preventive treatment for COVID-19 but the drug has become so politicized that studies investigating whether or not it is effective are being hampered.

A large trial known as COPCOV being led by the University of Oxford, U.K., the Wellcome Trust and the Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit (MORU) in Thailand is aiming to enrol more than 40,000 frontline health care workers and staff who have close contact with COVID-19 patients.

The goal is to investigate whether or not hydroxychloroquine and the related drug chloroquine are effective in preventing or reducing the severity of COVID-19 infections. But one of the scientists involved, Nick White, a professor of tropical medicine at Oxford University told Newsweek that conducting hydroxychloroquine studies has become more difficult because the drug has been politicized like no other medication.

"(The politicization) has been a major impediment to conducting the clinical trials needed to provide the answers the questions above. It has adversely affected the performance of regulatory authorities, and it has polarized media opinion and public attitudes," White told Newsweek.

In the U.K., the regulatory body for medicines halted trials into the drug following the publication of a paper in The Lancet that sparked fears of increased deaths from its use against COVID-19.

This paper was later retracted because of flaws in the data, and trials were subsequently allowed to restart. However, White said the controversy over the drug, which has been touted by President Donald Trump and other high profile figures like Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro, has made it more difficult to recruit participants while hospitals have also pulled out of the trial, the BBC reported.

Earlier in the pandemic, hydroxychloroquine showed some promise for the treatment of COVID-19 in some small, preliminary trials.

U.K. Scientists Say Hydroxychloroquine May Still Have Promise

The drug has been touted for the treatment of COVID-19 by President Donald Trump and other high profile figures like Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Arjun]

I call this bullshit. First of all, it took months for the lab to clean up evidence of mishandling. Secondly, of course the virus did not originate from the lab, but it most obviously originated from one of the lab technicians working there [Recall Patient Zero] (clearly someone wasn't following protocol and contracted something from the samples in the virology lab; possibly due to mishandling).

This virology lab has been studying different strains of SARS for years now. There is no coincidence. Fact of the matter is this virus resulted in global devastation; and there is no undoing the number of lives lost. There is no denying that this whole pandemic was orchestrated and planned for several years now and that at the end of the day it was all about timing. It was a great way to start 2020 (pun intended) ; and politicians and the experts want this virus to construct the new normal.

Wake up. Its no surprise that social security benefits are dwindling.

 

[tigerwillow1]

All this polarization and fighting over fake news and manipulated statistics. The puppetmasters have the sheep divided and fighting each other just like we're supposed to be doing.

My own vote by mail bias is formed by an incident a few years ago where my vote wasn't counted, and it would have been if I would have been able to cast it at a polling place. Why bother spending any effort when your vote might be counted, or might not be counted? I was in a unique position this one time to know it wasn't. Most of the time there's no way of knowing. There are multiple places in vote by mail where ballots can be lost or modified, and in most cases the victims (the affected voters) won't ever know that it happened. Then the vote by mail supporters can claim that there's no evidence of fraud, and they'll be correct, because it's so easy to do without leaving any evidence.

 

[tigerwillow1]

UK coronavirus daily death toll count could be scrapped due to it being 'exaggerated'
Due to the method of counting, patients who test positive for coronavirus, but are successfully treated, are still being counted as dying from the virus, meaning the count is 'exaggerated' by thousands

UK coronavirus daily death toll count could be scrapped as it is 'exaggerated'

Some are convinced we're overcounting, some are sure we're undercounting. Who's right? Heck, I don't know. The only thing that's for sure is there's a lot of lying and manipulating being fed to us.

 

[Oceanslider]

Seattle: A City in Fear Can Be Restored

This blog provides updated forecasts and comments on current weather or other topics

cliffmass.blogspot.com

 

[Parley]

Florida’s COVID-19 case count is lowest since June

Florida reported the lowest number of new COVID-19 cases since June on Monday.

With 4,247 new cases, the count is less than half of the new infections only two weeks ago on July 27.

A positive trend also is in people who need emergency care. Emergency department visits for COVID-like illness also declined from just two weeks ago with about 3,200 fewer visits.

Florida’s COVID-19 case count is lowest since June

Florida reported the lowest number of new COVID-19 cases since June 23. With 4,247 new cases reported on Monday, the count is less than half of the new infections only two weeks ago on July 27. A p…

www.sun-sentinel.com

 

[Q™]

All this polarization and fighting over fake news and manipulated statistics. The puppetmasters have the sheep divided and fighting each other just like we're supposed to be doing.

Word

 

[Oceanslider]

 

[Frankenscript]

Another entry in the pandemic knowledge senility files:

Trump said the 1918 Spanish flu 'probably ended' World War II, which did not begin until 21 years after that pandemic

President Donald Trump probably meant to refer to World War I, the final months of which overlapped with the spread of the 1918 flu pandemic.

www.businessinsider.com

Also was reading that Georgia is now a close race.

Anybody think the Republicans are going to draft somebody else to run ?

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[tigerwillow1]

Anybody think the Republicans are going to draft somebody else to run ?

I'm conflicted because answering this helps the thread to drift from pandemic specific to general political peeing contest. My own answer is there is no chance of somebody else being drafted. For a long time the dems have been acting like whining, spoiled crybabies while the repubs have tried to look and act dignified and above it all. Now the dems have to deal with somebody shoveling heir own stuff back at them and the only way they know to handle it is to act even more vulgar and immature. From the repub perspective it looks like the only way to hold ground against the dems is to play their dishonest and disgusting game. This is not to say that the repubs don't have their own dishonest and disgusting game. It's just more dignified. Higher quality lipstick on the pig.

I'll also be the first to admit that this whole political thing could be orchestrated and I'm just another fool falling for it.

 

[bigredfish]

Same old song. Liberals cant have a conversation about anything without blaming all their problems on Trump. Its become boring

 

[Parley]

Cuomo is even trying to blame President Trump for his disastrous nursing home order.

Running Scared: Cuomo pulls out all stops to avoid responsibility on NY's massive COVID-19 nursing home death count

Andrew Cuomo's got a load of nerve.

Imagine being one of the relatives of the thousands of elderly nursing home residents who died as a result of their residences becoming sealed incumbators for COVID, which Andrew Cuomo literally ordered. These people were banned from visits from their own families for their own 'safety' they said. Yet it was Potemkin stuff, they had no protection from COVID, as they had to breathe the air of coughing, infected patients all around them, with absolutely no way to get away from it. Once they got it, they died alone.

It's the biggest scandal of the COVID era.

Cuomo's policy killed at least 6,000 nursing home patients, with a new report out today that the number looks grotesquely undercounted. According to today's Associated Press:

NEW YORK (AP) - New York’s coronavirus death toll in nursing homes, already among the highest in the nation, could actually be a significant undercount.

Unlike every other state with major outbreaks, New York only counts residents who died on nursing home property and not those who died in hospitals.

That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600.

But the administration of Gov. Andrew Cuomo has so far refused to divulge the figure, leading to speculation New York is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states.

Running scared: Cuomo pulls out all stops to avoid responsibility on NY's massive COVID nursing home death count

Andrew Cuomo's got a load of nerve. Imagine being one of the relatives of the thousands of elderly nursing home residents who died as a result of their residences becoming sealed incubators for COVID, which Andrew Cuomo literally ordered.&nbsp...

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