***PSA for those with a New DAHUA NVR with Built-in PoE switch

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I’ve not tried to plug non PoE cameras into the PoE ports so no idea.

I know a PoE camera on my lan, same lan as the NVR, will be found in device search.

You could plug your laptop into a PoE port and be on the same network and perhaps discover it that way using a scan tool of some type. I know I can plug my laptop into a PoE port and access the cams on the 10.1.1.x network directly
 

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Another idea, plug a diff Dahua PoE camera into the port in question, it will assume the 10.1.1.x address of that port.

So when you plug your non PoE cam back into that port it should also be the same IP as the Dahua cam that you had there

My PoE NVRs all assign the IP to the port and do not change regardless of what I plug into that port
 

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Your idea worked! thanks. Plugging another camera into that port let me find the ip address. That also seems to "wake up" the NVR as it then auto populated "Port5" and set the protocol to ONVIF. ONVIF has never worked for me so I used the "customized" protocol to get to the camera working.
 

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I have re-read this thread a number of times as I bought a 4208-8p 4k from Andy. Thanks for all this info. I have a question. As this nvr is a return (Andy gave a good price) I'm not so fast to install the hard drives until I'm sure all seems good with initial setup. Aside from maybe an initial nag, you can still initialize the nvr without the hard drives installed right?
 

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Well I can either install them first and hope it's good karma or give it a shot without them. I suppose the only thing I have to lose is the pia of installing and then possibly pulling them out if something isn't right. I should really trust Andy when he assures all will be well.
 

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That's correct you can run the NVR without hard drives installed. I had mine connected / disconnected for about a week messing with it until my hard drive arrived.
 

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DO NOT follow instructions telling you to use the config tool or switch the IP of your cameras or initialize anything..!

With NVR's typically with a -P designation (Built-n PoE switch - example: 4208-8P-4KS2) none of that is required and it will often make a mess of things.

If you have a Dahua NVR with built-in PoE switch

*On initial setup for the NVR and cameras, DO NOT enable P2P in the popup that asks you this. Uncheck that along with Auto updates.

1- Fire up NVR using a mouse and monitor to do the initial setup, security questions, password, leave default Networking/IP alone (Verify it is static IP at 192.168.1.108 - assuming a standard home network of 192.168.1.x ), If you wish you could change the NVR IP address to some other static number on the 192.168.1.x network, This might be helpful if you were to add other Dahua cameras later outside of the built in PoE ports via say an external PoE switch as Dahau cameras connected this way will also default to the .108 address and create a conflict. . (I like to use .254 as I’ve yet to see that get assigned randomly by the router DHCP pool in a normal home environment)

Then disconnect from the NVR and never go back to that machine interface. Dont try and make any other setting changes here. You can change it all later in the Web interface.

2- Plug in your cameras to the NVR. Dont do anything else. The beauty of a PoE NVR is you dont have to do a damn thing, just plug them in, dont go clicking on buttons and shit when you dont know what youre doing, It WILL F$@k things up.

3 Open a browser on a PC on your network (again assuming a standard home network of 192.168.1.x) and type 192.168.1.108 or the IP you changed it to, and hit Enter. You will go to the WebGUI interface of your NVR. This is how you will manage your NVR from now on. Login with the name and pass you assigned the NVR

4- Assuming the newer 4.0 dark interface, Choose "Management" at top left then "Camera". This will take you to a page (Registration) that looks like the thumbnail below. The NVR will have automagically assigned each camera a channel and an IP address in the 10.1.1.x range** and a port of 1,2,3 etc.. You can NOT access the cameras without going through the NVR interface and using the Blue IE icons. See thumbnail below. (well you can access them but its a PIA and not necessary)

5- Click on the BLUE IE icon to open the individual cameras Web GUI to make changes to your camera settings, IVS, etc. The login for each new camera will default to Admin/your NVR password
The Login and Password for each camera will be identical and the same as your NVR. Dont F$@K with them!
*On initial login/setup for the cameras, DO NOT enable P2P in the popup that asks you this. Uncheck that along with Auto updates.

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* It seems some older cameras and/or cameras that had already been initialized with another NVR, may retain their "old" password, but new Dahua cams out of the box will assume the same login credentials of the NVR via synching.
If you see a red dot next to a camera, and/or a gray IE icon that does not open the camera GUI in a new window as expected, its likely that the password on the camera is different than that of the NVR. If so, using the "pencil" icon, edit the password information for that camera to the "old" password you may have previously set on another NVR or installation.

*The Edit dialog does not change anything on the camera. It simply allows you to edit the information of the camera that the NVR uses to communicate with the camera.

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Notes

A -When you go to the camera registration page, do not try and add cameras attached to the built-in PoE ports manually to move them from the top pane to the bottom. Let the NVR do it automagically, May need to unplug them and reboot once. WAIT! It may take a few minutes for them to appear in the bottom pane. DO NOT be tempted to manually add them or move them from top to bottom panes.

B- If using a Dahua NVR with the bullt in Poe switch, cameras using the built in PoE ports and showing port 37777* can’t be reached via the interface (IE button) as noted. Usually see this if you try to add them manually from the top pane to the bottom. (Or if you are using a splitter or extender and trying to run multiple cameras off of One PoE port. I dont recommend it) If you let the NVR assign and pass credentials by itself, they’ll show up as port 1,2,3 etc and you’ll be able to access them via the IE button

*UPDATED:
When using the built-in PoE ports, the NVR will assign them an IP (10.1.1.x) and a local port (1,2,3) and they will automatically populate the bottom pane as described above. You cant add them manually or it will mess up.

On cameras connected via external switch (like the ones shown at 192.168.1.x in the thumbnail below) you search for them in the top pane, and then have to add them to the bottom manually. These cameras connected via external switch will use port 37777. These you need to add one at a time and login to the camera and assign it an IP other than 192.168.1.108 as that is the default IP for all Dahua cams. Then add another and assign it another IP and so on, one at a time.

Also, cameras using an external switch CAN be accessed directly via their IP address.

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C- I’ve found it works best not to mess with any settings other than Network and Recording schedule on the NVR. I make all Image, Exposure, Event, and FPS/Bitrate changes on the camera itself >>>> and it pushes them to the NVR fine. Making image and Event changes on the NVR does not always push them correctly to the camera however.

D- For day to day viewing/playback and downloading of clips on your home network, simply download and install Dahua SmartPSS on a computer on that network and use it. This is simpler and better than trying to use the NVR web interface all the time just to view cameras or download footage. That said, dont try and use SmartPSS to adjust or mange the camera image or Event/MD/IVS settings Do this on the camera itself.

E) Note: Its best to limit changes to Image, Encoding, Bitrate/FPS, IVS, Motion Detection, etc to one device or the other, I recommend using the camera interface. If you make some changes on the camera and others on the NVR, it will mess up something eventually



Questions:

Does the pencil icon pop-up on the nvr camera registration page modify the camera password or is that only so you can login into the cam?
It just allows the proper credentials for the NVR to communicate with the camera, it does not modify the login/password of the camera

You said when you plug a cam into the NVR it changes the camera password to the nvr password but i didnt' find this to be true.
On a new camera or one factory defaulted and using the built-in PoE ports on the NVR, I can assure you it assigns the NVR password to the camera. If you have changed the camera settings somehow directly, installed the camera on another NVR previously, changed the IP or messed with onvif or ports, it may not adopt the NVR credentials and you may need to A) use the "old" password you originally set for the camera, or B) factory default the camera and start over.

If my cameras are now on the NVR private network of 10.1.1.x how can I view them without going through the NVR interface first?
The same way you would with an NVR without built-in PoE ports. By using SmartPSS (desktop), or the Dahua Mobile apps DMSS, iDMSS or gDMSS. They will "see through" the NVR to allow you to view your cameras. Remember, use these apps to view and download video clips. If you want to make changes to the Image, Events etc, do it on the camera itself.

Can I still use a VPN? Wont that be a problem again with the cameras on the 10.1.1.x network?
Yes. You will access them the same way as above. The VPN puts you inside your network as if you are sitting at your desk at home.
I have the 3 something version of SmartPSS. I followed your instruction to un-check the php box during initialization. When I go live on PSS I can see the image ,but when I switch to the Device CFG i cannot get into the menu. Also on the TechProSS app for Dahua on my phone it does not list the camera at all.
What is the best fix for this?

Thank you ,
Tubac
 

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For some reason I deselected virtual host. I reselected it and applied now I am able to go into the camera setting via E button on WebGUI.
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I don't see "virtual host" checkbox on my Dahua NVR, FW version: V4.000.0000000.1 but that is not the only starting up issue:) Currently reading this thread to find answers.

I attached a camera I previously used with a POE switch and it got automatically added, I only had to fix the password as OP noted. It got assigned IP 10.1.1.xx and port 37777.
The button to delete the camera is grayed out, don't know what is up with that.
When I unplugged the camera to put it back to my old POE, I wasn't able to access it on default IP, nmap doesn’t even show any ports open on that IP. Prior to that, the IE button from NVR also did not resolve to the camera login screen.

In order to even login to my NVR from a browser, I had to whitelist my local IP of my PC. I did find NVR switch settings under MANAGEMENT > NETWORK > SWITCH but I won’t mess with it just yet.
Another good tip from the OP is to install SmartPSS because playing the video from NVR via browser does not work properly. It keeps grabbing a substream or something similar because the image is low resolution until I select “Main Stream” under LIVE > any camera’s triangle menu
It is going to be a fun evening.
 

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I got it to work by resetting to factory NVR settings and it persisted through reboots, amazing. Just had to turn off P2P again afterwards. Cameras are accessible through the IE button on IP 192.168.1.xxx:10080 and onward :10081, etc… I’ll continue testing the software aspect.

I forgot to mention before, the NVR in question is 5216-16P-I, I think it will work out fine for me but it does have a few quirks (shutdown used to mean shutdown, not stop programs and keep fans running until I flip the switch) and one pretty big but fixable issue. It is VERY LOUD. I measured the sound levels at the PSU fan right next to it. It was over 75dB and it drops to around 50dB about 1.5 feet away.

Did anyone replace the big PSU fan before? Here is how it looks and the numbers on it. I need to find a compatible one. It has 2 pins and the small fan on right side has 4 pins.
fan1.jpg fan1-1.jpg fan1-2.jpg

The other fan on the side I already replaced with a higher quality one but it wasn’t being the loudest anyways. Image of a small fan on the side:
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Image of full board if anyone is interested:
boardupload1.jpg

Maybe this can at least help someone plan in advance what fans to buy when they go with 5216-16P-I or any similar form factor. Another note: both fans were mounted as exhaust fans, which imho is not right but requires testing to prove that there is a temperature difference if one gets switched to pulling air in instead. Preferably the one on the right side next to CPU heat sink.

Edit: 80dB at the PSU fan after a few hours of running. Cpu temp is 38 °C. This is OK for corporate building but you can't have this in a house, you can hear it through several doors at night.
 
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That's correct you can run the NVR without hard drives installed. I had mine connected / disconnected for about a week messing with it until my hard drive arrived.
It seems that after you install hard drives and remove them, the nvr beeps a warning and I couldn't find the setting to turn it off. I ended up removing the hard drives because the nvr that I bought from Andy on the cheap because it was an Amazon return, was a dud. The poe/network board was just dead. Brand new one coming by Friday.
 

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I forgot to mention before, the NVR in question is 5216-16P-I, I think it will work out fine for me but it does have a few quirks (shutdown used to mean shutdown, not stop programs and keep fans running until I flip the switch) and one pretty big but fixable issue. It is VERY LOUD. I measured the sound levels at the PSU fan right next to it. It was over 75dB and it drops to around 50dB about 1.5 feet away.

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Edit: 80dB at the PSU fan after a few hours of running. Cpu temp is 38 °C. This is OK for corporate building but you can't have this in a house, you can hear it through several doors at night.
I agree compared to my previous cheapo NVR this is louder. I also thought it was the power supply fan and I want to replace it.
 

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I agree compared to my previous cheapo NVR this is louder. I also thought it was the power supply fan and I want to replace it.
I found this spec sheet: not 100% same model, missing one H but it could be same spec-wise. Ordered then this one: NEW original SUNON KDE1204PKV2 4020 40mm x 20mm DC12V 0.6W 2Pin Magnetic suspension bearing fan silent cooler - Newegg.com (not on newegg) and I hope it will perform better. I don't understand why Delta Electronics would make such a shitty fan but maybe it was meant to be used in data centers only to power servers. They rated it as max 32 dB but at 1m (3.28 ft) distance. That is measured very far away from the source.
 
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The Dahua products for most part, are intended for use in a commercial setting. Not in homes. You have to plan accordingly.
If you purchase an NVR that does not have POE built in, it will be much quieter. Use a POE switch instead.
 

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I am using a NVR5232-16P-4KS2E NVR, and a 48 port POE switch in the closet. All cameras run to the switch. Will the NVR find and negotiate initialization of the cameras through the switch?
 

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I am using a NVR5232-16P-4KS2E NVR, and a 48 port POE switch in the closet. All cameras run to the switch. Will the NVR find and negotiate initialization of the cameras through the switch?
As long as the switch is on the same network as the NVR yes ..... BUT

What I did in this case was access each camera (plug one at a time into the switch) via browser at 192.168.1.108 with a pc on that network before going to the NVR . This allows you to initialize the camera and change its IP before plugging in another as they all default to .108

(*suggest giving them all the same login/pass as the NVR as it makes it simpler for the NVR to find and communicate with them without going through added unnecessary steps)

Then go to the NVR. Because you aren’t using the NVR’s internal switch, you may have to hit device search at the top of the camera Registration page but it will find them. After it sees them in the top pane, wait a few minutes and hit refresh (at bottom) and they should show up in bottom frame with a green indicator
 

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Thanks for the informative thread. Back in January, I followed bigredfish steps exactly and the initial/setup was spot on. That is, the IP addresses of the Dahua NVR and Dahua cams were automatically assigned and connected.

Just a few questions so I understand correctly for future cams, etc...........

In post#1 its mentioned on initial/setup for the NVR and cameras, do not enable P2P and uncheck auto updates. A couple of weeks ago I did a factory reset of my Dahua NVR and forgot to disable P2P during initial set up. But immediately AFTER all the cameras were registered/assigned, I realized that P2P was enabled so I then disabled P2P. Any harm in doing what I did? If P2P is disabled, will I be able to see my cams in the gDMSS app?

In post#24 it reads,
"NVR- use this for master recording and network setting" You are referring to the WebGUI interface of the NVR?
SmartPSS- use this for live view/playback/pulling footage" I'll download the latest version of SmartPSS, but should I add my NVR using IP address or S/N?
Camera- make ALL image, event, exposure, etc changes on the camera itself"

Post#33/35 DWinters1979 mentions they switch their cam into a different port but it didn't work. bigredfish says they need to manually move the cables connecting to the ports. I currently have all my NVR5208-8P-4KS2E ports being used by 5 - IPC-B5442E-ZE and 3 - IPC-T5442TM-AS. So if I wanted to switch the cam in port 1 with the cam in port 8, it would work with no problems? Also, would the cam that was switched from port 1 to port 8 takes its IP address with it or just take port 8 IP address? Hopefully that makes sense.
 

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Hi there,

I believe these *** answers are correct or at least what I would do/try.





In post#1 its mentioned on initial/setup for the NVR and cameras, do not enable P2P and uncheck auto updates. A couple of weeks ago I did a factory reset of my Dahua NVR and forgot to disable P2P during initial set up. But immediately AFTER all the cameras were registered/assigned, I realized that P2P was enabled so I then disabled P2P. Any harm in doing what I did? If P2P is disabled, will I be able to see my cams in the gDMSS app?
*** That is bad and could stop the orbital rotation or cause mail delay. I'd wait and see what BigRedFish has to say but I would check all the cameras to see if it enabled at the camera as well.

In post#24 it reads,
"NVR- use this for master recording and network setting" You are referring to the WebGUI interface of the NVR?
SmartPSS- use this for live view/playback/pulling footage" I'll download the latest version of SmartPSS, but should I add my NVR using IP address or S/N?
Camera- make ALL image, event, exposure, etc changes on the camera itself"
*** Lesson learned, when you install SmartPSS do not install the other option. I forget what it is called but you will have 2 choices to check a box and only check or select SmartPSS.



Post#33/35 DWinters1979 mentions they switch their cam into a different port but it didn't work. bigredfish says they need to manually move the cables connecting to the ports. I currently have all my NVR5208-8P-4KS2E ports being used by 5 - IPC-B5442E-ZE and 3 - IPC-T5442TM-AS. So if I wanted to switch the cam in port 1 with the cam in port 8, it would work with no problems? Also, would the cam that was switched from port 1 to port 8 takes its IP address with it or just take port 8 IP address? Hopefully that makes sense.
*** I would do a shutdown on the NVR, move the Ethernet cables, and then power the NVR back on. It should work flawless up and running and it should work flawless powered off but I have a port 1 issue I am currently battling.
 
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