Ukraine related: Was Ukraine Government Is Handing Out Guns To Citizens, What Happened to Gun Control?

[mat200]

I thought the following was possible originally:

Putin grabs what he can of Ukraine .. offers a deal with the West, the West forces Ukraine to accept losing 1/2 their territory.

At this point, I think Western Europe is not going to accept a Putin run Russia that somehow "wins" this terrible war.

Personally, while I believe Putin is #1 for the war .. I do blame the USA for basically not stating: " Do that and we'll play with the red button on Russia .. " Should be clear open warfare is not acceptable in Europe ..

 

[Griswalduk]

I thought the following was possible originally:

Putin grabs what he can of Ukraine .. offers a deal with the West, the West forces Ukraine to accept losing 1/2 their territory.

At this point, I think Western Europe is not going to accept a Putin run Russia that somehow "wins" this terrible war.

Personally, while I believe Putin is #1 for the war .. I do blame the USA for basically not stating: " Do that and we'll play with the red button on Russia .. " Should be clear open warfare is not acceptable in Europe ..

There's a link ( 1 off 5 rotating links or whatever they're called ) at the top our the screen on the website called Russia how did we get here. Europe has been soft as well. It took him years to get here and they "enabled" him to do so

I'd tried to copy and paste the entire link but for some reason i can only do the first half on my fire tablet.

Institute for the Study of War

www.understandingwar.org

 

[mat200]

A farmer's salvage:

 

[N-i-k-s-o-n]

1. First of all, who said that Russian troops MUST advance quickly? Yes, the first days of the war were marked by the rapid advance of troops, which led to excessive losses of Russian troops, destroyed columns of military equipment.
Now the tactics are different - to advance slowly, destroying the Nazis with artillery and rocket systems. Especially when it comes to fortified areas in eastern Ukraine. This is not a desert war.

2. Both Russian and many foreign military experts confirm that the Russian army is trying to act carefully when striking military targets, unlike the Ukrainian troops shelling the residential areas of Donetsk.

3. The morale of the army is high. Possible strikes in the rear of the troops and on the territory of Russia will only increase the support of the army among the russian society.

4. Regarding the possible division of Ukraine. I am not a specialist in missile weapons, I can only focus on articles. If now the flight time of a missile is about 15 minutes, and the time required to intercept it is 10 minutes, then the deployment of such missiles on the territory of Ukraine will reduce the flight time to less than 10 minutes. Russia must not allow this.

5. BONUS. If you choose which movie to watch in the evening, I recommend watching the Polish film Hatred (Wolyn) (2016).

 

[Griswalduk]

1. First of all, who said that Russian troops MUST advance quickly? Yes, the first days of the war were marked by the rapid advance of troops, which led to excessive losses of Russian troops, destroyed columns of military equipment.
Now the tactics are different - to advance slowly, destroying the Nazis with artillery and rocket systems. Especially when it comes to fortified areas in eastern Ukraine. This is not a desert war.

2. Both Russian and many foreign military experts confirm that the Russian army is trying to act carefully when striking military targets, unlike the Ukrainian troops shelling the residential areas of Donetsk.

3. The morale of the army is high. Possible strikes in the rear of the troops and on the territory of Russia will only increase the support of the army among the russian society.

4. Regarding the possible division of Ukraine. I am not a specialist in missile weapons, I can only focus on articles. If now the flight time of a missile is about 15 minutes, and the time required to intercept it is 10 minutes, then the deployment of such missiles on the territory of Ukraine will reduce the flight time to less than 10 minutes. Russia must not allow this.

5. BONUS. If you choose which movie to watch in the evening, I recommend watching the Polish film Hatred (Wolyn) (2016).

1 Russia always hides behind artillery. They have done this since the beginning of time and entirely predictable. When it starts coming back they will shit themselves. if Ukraine goes on the offensive it will decide when there is peace in Russia. This leads on to guerrilla warfare. Now the tactics are different - to advance slowly, the further into Russia territory the better result. They could randomly plant vans laden with explosives outside the Kremlin / government offices and other hotbeds of Nazi activity. To maintain support among the oppressed Russian people this could be done with a telephone warning to evacuate the area and keep civilian casualties to a minimum. There's Hundreds of miles of gas and oil lines and refineries exposed for the suitably inclined to take advantage. Railways, ports any factories with any links to the military and the staff therein could be legitimate targets.

It would be a role reversal. Russia would have to stay ahead and be right every single time. Guerrillas only need to be right sometime.

2 Both Ukrainian and many foreign military experts confirm that the Ukrainian army is trying to act carefully protecting civilians and only striking military targets, unlike the Russian troops shelling any residential areas they encounter.

3 If the propaganda videos are anything to go by the poor soldiers should be getting paid in Prozac. I seen a video of a mobile chuck wagon. Not a smile, grin, bottle of beer or a dirty joke to be seen or heard in the whole 5 desperate minutes. You can send them this 1 so they know what it looks like . Russian society will indeed be motivated for a change in regime and work with and shelter the freedom fighters.

4 That idea looks to have sunk with the Moskva. Although time will tell it looks like Crimea and the areas illegally occupied will have to be returned too their rightful Ukrainian owners. Russia doesn't own them..... The people do


5. BONUS

 

[tigerwillow1]

2 Both Ukrainian and many foreign military experts confirm that the Ukrainian army is trying to act carefully protecting civilians and only striking military targets, unlike the Russian troops shelling any residential areas they encounter.

That's what I read in about half the reports, and opposite what I read in the other half. It's all propaganda!

 

[sebastiantombs]

It is war and civilian casualties will happen. They can be mitigated but not eliminated. Mitigation is a difficult thing to do in the heat of battle or when weakness is sensed in the enemy. Deliberately targeting train stations full of civilians or apartment buildings is an entirely different thing. The Russian tactic of bomb it all will result in high numbers of civilian casualties. That is the ay they wage war. Plus the purpose of an armed force in a war is to break and destroy both morale and infrastructure. In short, war sucks and this one never needed to or should have happened.

 

[mat200]

1. First of all, who said that Russian troops MUST advance quickly? Yes, the first days of the war were marked by the rapid advance of troops, which led to excessive losses of Russian troops, destroyed columns of military equipment.
Now the tactics are different - to advance slowly, destroying the Nazis with artillery and rocket systems. Especially when it comes to fortified areas in eastern Ukraine. This is not a desert war.

2. Both Russian and many foreign military experts confirm that the Russian army is trying to act carefully when striking military targets, unlike the Ukrainian troops shelling the residential areas of Donetsk.

3. The morale of the army is high. Possible strikes in the rear of the troops and on the territory of Russia will only increase the support of the army among the russian society.

4. Regarding the possible division of Ukraine. I am not a specialist in missile weapons, I can only focus on articles. If now the flight time of a missile is about 15 minutes, and the time required to intercept it is 10 minutes, then the deployment of such missiles on the territory of Ukraine will reduce the flight time to less than 10 minutes. Russia must not allow this.

5. BONUS. If you choose which movie to watch in the evening, I recommend watching the Polish film Hatred (Wolyn) (2016).

Result of all of this:

Congratulations Russia is now the vassal of China .. good move ..

 

[SJGUSMC21]

A penny for his thoughts.... 'This chick is crazier then hell....and I smell vodka or formaldehyde.'

 

[samplenhold]

I like the vodka and formaldehyde comment!

 

[SJGUSMC21]

IF this is true...holy shit. The Kremlin is hemorrhaging about now. There has to be a lot of happy farmers there as well...

 

[N-i-k-s-o-n]

IF this is true...holy shit. The Kremlin is hemorrhaging about now. There has to be a lot of happy farmers there as well...

Yes, it's true. "Ghost of Kiev" did it.

 

[Griswalduk]

Speaking off truth you couldn't make this up.....Or could you

Reports of allegation that Hitler had Jewish roots causing more than a little upset.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61296682

 

[mat200]

Speaking off truth you couldn't make this up.....Or could you

Reports of allegation that Hitler had Jewish roots causing more than a little upset.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61296682

Well, I don't think Adolf identified as Jewish .. where as Volodymyr does ..

Sergei Lavrov made the comments to try to justify Russia's portrayal of Ukraine as "Nazi" despite the fact that its president is Jewish.​

​

..​

​

When asked how Russia can claim that it is fighting to "de-Nazify" Ukraine when President Volodymyr Zelensky is himself Jewish, Mr Lavrov said: "I could be wrong, but Hitler also had Jewish blood. [That Zelensky is Jewish] means absolutely nothing. Wise Jewish people say that the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews."​

​

​

 

[mat200]

Planes need a lot of flares to fly ..

 

[SJGUSMC21]

There's a link ( 1 off 5 rotating links or whatever they're called ) at the top our the screen on the website called Russia how did we get here. Europe has been soft as well. It took him years to get here and they "enabled" him to do so

I'd tried to copy and paste the entire link but for some reason i can only do the first half on my fire tablet.

Institute for the Study of War

www.understandingwar.org

IMO in this day and age, there is only ONE person to blame for this, and that is Putin. I also agree that just as the early years prior to WWII, Europe (and the US as well to a degree) has become soft once again. However this DOES NOT give Putin the right to attack and attempt to destroy a sovereign nation. Not now, not ever.

 

[N-i-k-s-o-n]

IMO in this day and age, there is only ONE person to blame for this, and that is Putin. I also agree that just as the early years prior to WWII, Europe (and the US as well to a degree) has become soft once again. However this DOES NOT give Putin the right to attack and attempt to destroy a sovereign nation. Not now, not ever.

This "Pandora's box" was opened by the United States and NATO countries when they began to support the Nazi regime in Ukraine, when they did not notice the burning of people in Odessa in 2014 and the shelling of Donbas by Ukraine for 8 years, when the United States and NATO countries bombed Serbia, when Colin Powell showed a test tube with purported biological weapon of Saddam Hussein.
Russia has repeatedly called for compliance with the Minsk agreements, although Germany and France had the same responsibility.

 

[sebastiantombs]

I love that "Nazi regimen in Ukraine" coming from Moscow, Russia. A country run by a dictator that uses the exact same tactics that Hitler used both in governing Russia and in warfare.

 

[mat200]

This "Pandora's box" was opened by the United States and NATO countries when they began to support the Nazi regime in Ukraine, when they did not notice the burning of people in Odessa in 2014 and the shelling of Donbas by Ukraine for 8 years, when the United States and NATO countries bombed Serbia, when Colin Powell showed a test tube with purported biological weapon of Saddam Hussein.
Russia has repeatedly called for compliance with the Minsk agreements, although Germany and France had the same responsibility.

I think the Pandora's box came when Ukraine gave it's Nukes away .. @N-i-k-s-o-n .. they never should have .. Putin would not have invaded them in 2014 .. Putin likes to poison people .. he would have tried to poison Ukrainians instead .. now Russia is going to be the lesser partner to China ..

 

[tigerwillow1]

A couple of months ago the media and forums were full of bragging how the economic sanctions against Russia were tanking its economy, a major indicator being the ruble losing value against other currencies. The tide has turned, and today the ruble is at a 2 year high against the US dollar. At the same time the euro is at a 5-1/2 year low against the US dollar. Right now, it looks like it's the EU that's getting creamed by the sanctions. Are the sanctions maybe a shoot one's self in the foot knee-jerk reaction?