Funny but he does look like Walter the Puppet
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So what is everyone's go to email provider to get away from the likes of gmail and microsoft? Well until whoever that is gets shutdown
Again, context matters.
Disclaimer: As an Australian I don't have a horse in either side of this American race. I have no passion for one side or the other. But I see things from the outside in, so I believe I can see things a bit more as they are without getting emotionally involved. I don't have a side to defend.
I don't care about Pelosi, but I am correcting someone making an incorrect comparison.
In sdkid 's original post, he linked to a very specific quote which happened on November 13th 2018.
"We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy" - Nancy Pelosi, Nov 13th 2018
Ok, so what is Pelosi referring to?
AOC's protest towards NP on the very same day. They were respectful, had their signs, did it properly.
She welcomes that respectful kind of protest and wishes the Capitol police to let them do their thing.
@sdkid said "Hmmm.... it appears her opinion of activists & protesters has changed..."
In reference to the Capitol Hill stuff in 2021, while linking to the 2018 quote.
She was referring to a specific, respectful 2018 protest. But sdkid was using absolutes: "it appears her opinion of activists & protesters has changed..."
Well, yeah, she absolutely would have differing opinions of different protestors. One group was small and had signs, was relatively respectful.
The other swarmed Capitol Hill and did major damage. She probably didn't like that. But its not "opinion of activists and protestors has changed" in general.
Its different opinions of different people at different events.
As for your link @Jessie.slimer , you are linking to a June 2nd, 2020 quote about BLM.
Regardless of whether you support it or not, whatever side you are on, its not what Pelosi was talking about in 2018. That is the argument here. Context matters.
You can add in "but what about?....." stuff for other, more wholesome general politics discussions. And you may absolutely have a great point.
But my response was to sdkids very specific, very defined point.
A comparison might be you saying that "Most Doorbell cams suck" today. And most at the consumer price point kinda do. There is $800 Axis stuff that is great currently, but the price is a bit rough for consumers.
Then in 2 years time you say "There are some good consumer doorbell cameras out there" and then someone pulls you up saying "Oh, I guess Jessie changed their tune. He's flip-flopping. Sad.".
Well, you were referring to a specific group of consumer doorbells 2 years before. And people cant use your 2021 quote then to compare that to the super awesome consumer doorbells we have in 2023 (if that ever happens).
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Jessie.slimer
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My point was that she flip flops like a fish out of water. Many of the BLM protests over the summer were not peaceful nor done in the right way. She supported them. No calls were made for them to be prosecuted. She did not call for action against people like Maxine Waters who openly called for protesters to get in the face of politicians who support Trump, telling them to not allow these individuals to do everyday activities like eating at a restaurant or getting gas for their cars. She was ok with the Brett Kavanaugh protests, where people were banging on the doors and trying to illegally enter the Supreme Court. She had nothing to say when protesters illegally entered the Capitol in 2018. What's the difference? They were on HER side. She's a hypocrite. That's what hypocrites do. Now she is all about law and order, when it suits her agenda.
When you say "Pelosi welcomes activists when done the right way. Its part of democracy", I'd have to disagree with you.
I say Pelosi welcomes activists when that activism is geared toward Donald Trump or Republicans.
Edit: Almost no one is condoning what happened at the Capitol. Many including myself think that anyone that broke the law should be arrested and be held responsible for their actions. Every Republican lawmaker is saying the same thing. Democrats never took this position over the summer. Actually, Biden and Harris set up funding to bail those criminals out. But anyone spewing garbage saying the President incited violence is just wrong. Its the opposite, in fact. He called for peaceful protesting at the Capitol. I'd welcome any evidence to the contrary.
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I've been using an independent email provider for at least 15 years. Costs me about $50 per year. I've never understood why people want to have their emails on google, yahoo, etc. servers. It's just giving away your info and freedom for free stuff.So what is everyone's go to email provider to get away from the likes of gmail and microsoft? Well until whoever that is gets shutdown
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“When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – You may know that your society is doomed.” – Ayn Rand
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Over the summer I would say probably in the thousands of stores were looted and burned many hundreds of people were killed by those that were participating in these “fiery but peaceful” protest That went on for what continuously like six months.
On one day 100 knuckleheads barg into the Capital, A police officer kills one unarmed female, and they call it an insurrection.
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former Texas congressman Ron Paul, 85, has been blocked from using his Facebook page for unspecified violations of “community standards.”
We have been discussing the rising threats against Trump supporters, lawyers, and officials in recent weeks from Democratic members are calling for blacklists to the Lincoln Project leading a a national effort to harass and abuse any lawyers representing the Republican party or President Trump. Others are calling for banning those “complicit” from college campuses while still others are demanding a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission”to “hold Trump and his enablers accountable for the crimes they have committed.” Daily Beast editor-at-large Rick Wilson has added his own call for “humiliation,” “incarceration” and even ritualistic suicides for Trump supporters in an unhinged, vulgar column.
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They need to add to that video in the hundreds of killings and beat downs, people being pulled from their cars and beaten. The lootings and the fires all across the country. All of it was in the name of wokeness and liberalism
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Indeed, and charges of inciting the over throw of the USA.
We just set up new email accounts using our domain name and dynu.com. We will be transitioning away from gmail as quickly as we can.
Painless change with this forum.
Next step is to use Walmart.com and abandon amazon.
We may be small but we placed 91 orders with amazon in 2020. No more.
Next step is to use Walmart.com and abandon amazon.
We may be small but we placed 91 orders with amazon in 2020. No more.
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6 months of hundreds of murders, the rioting, looting, burning, pulling people from their cars for beat downs, walking directly up to police sitting peacefully in their patrol car and shooting them dead....
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I bet she STILL doesn't know the ingredients to a screwdriver....
AOC: Country will heal with the 'actual liberation of southern states' from GOP control
The 'Squad' member reiterated her calls for GOP senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to resign
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AOC: Country will heal with the 'actual liberation of southern states' from GOP control
The 'Squad' member reiterated her calls for GOP senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to resign
AOC: Country will heal with the 'actual liberation of southern states' from GOP control
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., took to Instagram on Tuesday night and suggested that the states in the GOP-controlled south need to be "liberated."
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