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I do have a utility pole in my yard that the plows steer clear of. I don't know what the power company would think of me mounting a box to it?
Mount it with an official looking placard from a fictitious utility with a bogus phone number and some sort of ID. No one will bother it.

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I have a Raspberry Pi with a RTL SDR in my attic with the antenna up as high as possible. I suppose I could get a second one and use a Raspberry Pi I just decommissioned. I could probably get it pretty damn close to the street-- but the problem here in New England would be the plows. Lots of people mailboxes get taken out every winter-- having a box with an antenna anywhere within 3 feet of the road is bound to get destroyed by a wall of snow.

How close are we talking here? What about something like a can antenna that is unidirectional? I do have a utility pole in my yard that the plows steer clear of. I don't know what the power company would think of me mounting a box to it?

Ok- last night I was telling my wife how a bunch of nerds on this forum were trying to read tire pressure data off of the cars on the street in addition to the plates. We had a good laugh making fun of you all....

Now, I just installed rtl_433 on my SDR raspberry Pi and I am now reading some Hyundai TPMS on my street. My neighbor has one but I don't even see it in their driveway.

I am all in on the TPMS.

Apparently, one of my neighbors has a ThermoPro meat thermometer as well!

Ok- last night I was telling my wife how a bunch of nerds on this forum were trying to read tire pressure data off of the cars on the street in addition to the plates. We had a good laugh making fun of you all....

Now, I just installed rtl_433 on my SDR raspberry Pi and I am now reading some Hyundai TPMS on my street. My neighbor has one but I don't even see it in their driveway.

I am all in on the TPMS.

Apparently, one of my neighbors has a ThermoPro meat thermometer as well!
Nerd here checking in.

What's the distance from your receiver to the road?
 
Are you getting any captures when a car goes by?
No.. I managed to see two cars at one point... I see just my neighbors thermopro TP12 meat temperature monitor. I switched to the 915 MHz and I see my weather stations....

I ordered a second RTL SDR and a 433 Mhz Antenna
 
Nerd here checking in.

What's the distance from your receiver to the road?
I am about 80 feet from that park of the house with the antenna high up in the attic. The Hyundai that was showing up-- I have to imagine that was parked somewhere. I live in a town with 2 acre zoning so it isn't like we are on top of each other.
 
What's the transmission frequency from TPMS while the vehicle is in motion? From the screenshot, looks like once every 5-10 sec?
 
What's the transmission frequency from TPMS while the vehicle is in motion? From the screenshot, looks like once every 5-10 sec?

It had to be around 433 Mhz.... Are you talking about the transmission period? I am not sure.

I am not capturing every car-- that is for sure. I have not see our car.
 
It had to be around 433 Mhz.... Are you talking about the transmission period? I am not sure.

I am not capturing every car-- that is for sure. I have not see our car.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of your number of vehicles to how many it found TPMS - 40%, 90%, etc.

And TPMS wasn't required until 2008 model year, so how many of those not found would be vehicles prior to 2008?

I did a quick count of today and mine is about 20% that are older than 2008
 
It would be interesting to see a comparison of your number of vehicles to how many it found TPMS - 40%, 90%, etc.

And TPMS wasn't required until 2008 model year, so how many of those not found would be vehicles prior to 2008?

I did a quick count of today and mine is about 20% that are older than 2008
I am going to say very low. In the single digits. The last TPMC I saw was at 6:30 tonight and was the BMW from earlier. I see about 12-13 plates that have gone by since.

My car is a 2010, my wife's is a 2018.

Again-- I am not that close to the road. I have a standard antenna. I ordered another RTL SDR and a 433 Mhz antenna. I can try getting closer. The garage should be a good place to start.
 
The output looks like this:
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I was able to capture a few from inside my house about 50 feet from the street, but it's not very reliable. There's not really any way around needing at least something closer to the street. The limitation is mainly from the low tx power of the tmps sensor itself.

A directional antenna could help slightly in some cases, but I think with the angle most will be shooting at and the fact that the transmitting antenna is horizontally polarized inside a spinning tire, an omni will probably be more reliable overall.
 
What's the transmission frequency from TPMS while the vehicle is in motion? From the screenshot, looks like once every 5-10 sec?

It's not super frequent. 1-2x per minute. Unless you have a humungous property that takes that long to drive by and have multiple receivers, it won't be an exact science.

My thinking is that most burglers tend to pass by at least one other time before or after taking action, in order to scope out the situation. Possibly many more times. This data is super small to store, so you could have a situation where a burgling vehicle drove by your property 5 months ago and transmitted TPMS, then came back without plates. You would be able to identify.


If they have never been logged prior to any incident, then you're unfortunately SOL. Having a secondary form of PII is still a huge advantage, but the transmission interval is a limitation, and there is no way around it other than owning lots of dirt OR (and this would be a great addition to a neighborhood watch program or something of the sort) get neighbors to participate, spaced out along your street.
 
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mounting to utility pole:


@TheWaterbug 's idea is pretty clever and it's probably true that something like that could last a decade before anyone questioned it lol. That being said, you could probably just plop it on a pole and wait until (if ever) someone notices. Doubtful any lineman is going to get a supervisor involved or call the cops, and even if they were to, there's no way to prove you yourself affixed it to their pole. No utility company is going to come after you for putting a little hole in their log either... I'd just put it on there and spray-paint it brown or whatever color matches.


Distance from road:

You really want to be <50ft maximum away from the vehicle. You don't need to be right up against the street if you're gonna get hit by a plow, but as close as possible. That includes vertical distance as well. Some Pythagorean action might be necessary.



Regarding antennas:

Both 433.95 Mhz and 315 Mhz antennas are needed, as different sensor vendors use different frequencies. It is very important to note that there is a massive difference in quality between antennas you will find on amazon/chinese OEM vs reputable electronics vendors. Antennas (especially for UHF like this) need to be precisely tuned to be resonant at the correct frequency to work properly. Many Chinese vendors and amazon sellers will advertise extremely wide frequency ranges or create multiple listings for the same antenna claiming different frequencies.

For an effective rx element, either purchase from a reputable vendor like the ones linked in #665 or build your own and verify the spec with an antenna tester.


SDRs:

I'm sort of on the fence now about going back to using an RTL-based receiver (which is an SDR) and desoldering the connector, modifying the heatsink, and using a PI zero instead of a full RPI.

Reasoning for this is because it's a bit hard to source good components required the custom solution nowadays. I've only ever built one other embedded solution like this before, and it was extremely basic, so I don't really know what I'm doing. If anyone is or knows an actual electrical engineer who actively designs and manufactures circuit boards / components, please chime in!!! It really isn't very complex, but is sort of one of those situations where it will take 10 minutes for someone who knows what they're doing, and will take ages and still end up being wrong for someone who doesn't. Kinda like automotive work or tax preparation....


The other important thing to note about using an SDR is that you will either need 2x SDRs or you will need to tell the SDR to flip-flop between the two frequencies very quickly at all times, listening to both. In this setup, you will also need an adapter to attach two antennas, which can create other complications. The best solution is really to use two separate SDRs, each with their own dedicated frequency.


This just ends up getting so expensive for such a simple system. We're talking something like $170, so nothing crazy compared to a nice camera, but that's still just way more than it needs to be. Especially considering the fact that you can get an RF TPMS checker for 10-20 bucks.



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I've consulted a few different people abt the RF components, looking to get a seal of approval affirming that it will actually work in the configuration that I spec'd out. If I can get that verified, I'm going to order larger quantities of the components anyways because of the price break.

I'm happy to mail them around for anyone who wants a ready-to-go box.
 
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That looks pretty complicated... See figure 10....

Your board would need 2 of them and a myriad of inductors and capacitors.... Absolutely doable but it isn't slapped down a part on a custom PCB.... And debugging RF can be tricky....

Can you run 2 RTL SDRs on one PI? It might be worth building one with COTS to see if the concepts works...

My neighbor has a dog which runs alongside cars going up and down the street. Maybe I could strap one to him and improve the chances of getting a hit.
 
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That looks pretty complicated... See figure 10....

Your board would need 2 of them and a myriad of inductors and capacitors.... Absolutely doable but it isn't slapped down a part on a custom PCB.... And debugging RF can be tricky....

Can you run 2 RTL SDRs on one PI? It might be worth building one with COTS to see if the concepts works...

My neighbor has a dog which runs alongside cars going up and down the street. Maybe I could strap one to him and improve the chances of getting a hit.

I tried the double SDR w RPI 4, and it was working ok... Not phenomenal, but part of that could have been antennae.

The main reasons I want to try a homebrew alternative are the cost, heat, and over-provisioning. I realized that that TI IC I linked before would be more complicated to use, but some of the modules might be more straightforward? Still not sure...

If any even medium-sized semi-technically competent company were trying to do this, I feel like they would opt for something more robust and cheaper than a USB SDR in an RPI... I think it's perfectly attainable for us too. It's just a matter of figuring it out and getting it working.

I'm confident I could get a custom circuit to work perfectly fine, but I want the BEST possible version with the best parts (which seems like it will still be way cheaper than double SDR RPI). I bet I can find someone with expertise to offer some professional advice and lend a helping hand.

My neighbor has a dog which runs alongside cars going up and down the street. Maybe I could strap one to him and improve the chances of getting a hit.
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