Blue Iris Hardware Recommendations

[spyfly81]

He did say before the end of December, right? I don't have any idea of that target will be hit or not, but there is no reason to doubt it.

I have 22 cams currently active on my BI server at home, which is the most I have ever run at once. Usually I only run 20. It is an i7-3770k CPU running 55-60% with my UI2 page open and streaming. All cams except one have direct to disk enabled. About 65 total megapixels and average frame rate is about 5 FPS. Memory usage is 3.63 GB for the BlueIris.exe process. Would be higher if I used higher pre-trigger recording buffers.

At what fps does the playback start to get choppy?

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[Q™]

At what fps does the playback start to get choppy?

https://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

 

[Q™]

Here...this is better...

 

[wcrowder]

I understand that the website says nvidia but he indicated that intel will benefit more users...he didnt give me any guarantees or say anything with certainty..but that he is working with intel...best thing is to wait before buying anything. Even low power cards use significantly more power than integrated graphics.

It's a cost for benefit thing, adding another 80watt light bulb to the house doesn't bother me, I don't care... If the benefit is that I can have better coverage for $15.00 per year, I'll choose the better coverage, prettier pictures and video.

I just read an article that an ASUS GeForce GTX750Ti($99) draws 75 watts at boot 44 watts after nominal. Has 640 cores. Here is the comparison with Intel 4600.

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1438&gid2=884&compare=intel-hd-graphics-4600-desktop-vs-geforce-gtx-750.

Think we just have to wait and see... I'm hoping for BOTH!!!

 

[spyfly81]

Here...this is better...

Wow that is pretty good so really 5fps is not to bad if you just worried about foot traffic, 7.5 still almost perfect for walking with 5fps you could see a little choppy but not to bad, the fast moving car was neat to watch as well.

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[fenderman]

It's a cost for benefit thing, adding another 80watt light bulb to the house doesn't bother me. If the benefit is that I can have better coverage for $30.00 per year, I'll choose the better coverage, prettier pictures and video. Graphics processors process graphics.

You are assuming that you cannot have that benefit with integrated graphics which is incorrect. Intel HD graphics performance is equal to or surpasses many low power cards..skylake graphics is even better many low power cards. Point is that most systems have intel hd (particulalry the small form factors) and therefore an intel update will benefit many. High power cards can easily consume 50-100w, at that point you are better off spending more on a better cpu than paying your electric company.

 

[Q™]

Wow that is pretty good so really 5fps is not to bad if you just worried about foot traffic, 7.5 still almost perfect for walking with 5fps you could see a little choppy but not to bad, the fast moving car was neat to watch as well...

Rookies without a real need all want to run 30FPS...as did I when I started out. It was hard to let go of that...but now I run all of my cameras at 4FPS and I'm more than satisfied with the results...you get used to it.

Alternatively I've learned that some businesses are required by law or contract to run very high frame rates (such as some casinos, or so I've been told).

 

[wcrowder]

Rookies without a real need all want to run 30FPS...as did I when I started out. It was hard to let go of that...but now I run all of my cameras at 4FPS and I'm more than satisfied with the results...you get used to it.

Alternatively I've learned that some businesses are required by law or contract to run very high frame rates (such as some casinos, or so I've been told).

Welcome to my world... 15fps/4mbs is the sweet spot at 1080p... Rookies still run 7.5, pro's 15, regulated 30/6mbs. That's the facts jack...

Below 15, you miss too much "information", 30 is mostly a waste, except for specific high traffic/high motion areas.

 

[wcrowder]

Blue Iris has never supported add-in video cards, so it matters not what card you put in the machine, with this exception: recently Ken as added support for Nvidia cards although the community does not yet have a consensus on the advantages and performance of this new functionality.

To keep up, Blue Iris MUST add "add-in video cards", these cards are "specifically designed" to do what Blue Iris has been doing with generic i86 processors. I know change is hard, but change is innovation. If you're happy with BI now, don't update every day and complain. I'm really looking forward to this, it might take a few updates to get right. You are a smart feller, so is my https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish friend down the road... jk...

 

[fenderman]

To keep up, Blue Iris MUST add "add-in video cards", these cards are "specifically designed" to do what Blue Iris has been doing with generic i86 processors. I know change is hard, but change is innovation. If you're happy with BI now, don't update every day and complain. I'm really looking forward to this, it might take a few updates to get right. You are a smart feller, so is my https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish friend down the road... jk...

Actually most of the discrete cards are geared towards 3d graphics...the intel integrated graphics will do just fine for BI. Ultimately it would be nice to support all cards, but if he is going to pick one for now, intel is the way to go. It is also likely that amd and nvidia cards can still be used even if the code is not optimized for them.

 

[wcrowder]

Actually most of the discrete cards are geared towards 3d graphics...the intel integrated graphics will do just fine for BI. Ultimately it would be nice to support all cards, but if he is going to pick one for now, intel is the way to go. It is also likely that amd and nvidia cards can still be used even if the code is not optimized for them.

That's a good idea, but looking at the nVidia api, I don't see this the same. nVidia cards can be used for many things besides gaming. Many people use them for "Mining bitcoin". Direct support of CUDA would rock. If he is supporting directx, that's a different thing and works with all, but is limited. It has to start somewhere, us complaining is probably slowing down the process... What I read here is 'Intel or Nothing"... You really think he doesn't read this forum? All I'm saying is let innovation happen.

 

[fenderman]

That's a good idea, but looking at the nVidia api, I don't see this the same. nVidia cards can be used for many things besides gaming. Many people use them for "Mining bitcoin". Direct support of CUDA would rock. If he is supporting directx, that's a different thing and works with all, but is limited. It has to start somewhere, us complaining is probably slowing down the process... What I read here is 'Intel or Nothing"... You really think he doesn't read this forum? All I'm saying is let innovation happen.

I do think that he does not read the forum...no one said intel or nothing...we barley have any info...its all up in the air...

 

[Q™]

...Welcome to my world... 15fps/4mbs is the sweet spot at 1080p... Rookies still run 7.5, pro's 15, regulated 30/6mbs. That's the facts jack...

With a 2.8mm lens mounted inside 20+ feet up on my warehouse wall, or a 4mm lens mounted outside up 26' on the side of my building exactly what am I going to miss? Clue me in here because I must be missing it. Fact is, Jack, nearly every newbie and his brother comes onto every cctv forum I've participated in and wants to run 30FPS. Fact is, they don't have to...and neither do I...unless I'm missing something. So what is it? What am I missing?

 

[beardog]

Just ordered the Optiplex 9020 i7-4790 - 8GB Ram for $495.00
More than I wanted to spend but I also understand this a great deal.

Does anyone have any experience with the difference between the 4790 and the 4790S? My concern is that the machine will run too hot as I will be mounting it on a shelf in my server rack (not enclosed).

Also, my machine coming with Win8.1 - I prefer Windows 7 pro 64 bit. Should I just run BI on the Win8.1 or do a fresh install of Windows 7pro?

 

[fenderman]

Just ordered the Optiplex 9020 i7-4790 - 8GB Ram for $495.00
More than I wanted to spend but I also understand this a great deal.

Does anyone have any experience with the difference between the 4790 and the 4790S? My concern is that the machine will run too hot as I will be mounting it on a shelf in my server rack (not enclosed).

Also, my machine coming with Win8.1 - I prefer Windows 7 pro 64 bit. Should I just run BI on the Win8.1 or do a fresh install of Windows 7pro?

Welcome to the forum..the machine will run exceptionally cool. Dont be concerned. Do a clean install of windows 10....install classic shell and call it a day.

 

[Q™]

...Should I just run BI on the Win8.1 or do a fresh install of Windows 7pro?

I've been running Blue Iris on Windows 8.1 for over a year Beardog and it runs fine. Much like others, I dislike Windows 8.1...but I don't use it for anything else and it runs Blue Iris (as a Win service) and it functions fine. Install http://www.classicshell.net/ over Win8.1 and let it be IMO. Alternatively, if your going to use it as an actual PC then I'd install Win7.

 

[spyfly81]

in the process of setting up an hp elitedesk with an i5 4570 that work is letting me us to test how many cameras this system will work with 4gb of ram and a 500gb hard drive. I have 14 cameras in the garage right now I can play with as well

 

[fenderman]

in the process of setting up an hp elitedesk with an i5 4570 that work is letting me us to test how many cameras this system will work with 4gb of ram and a 500gb hard drive. I have 14 cameras in the garage right now I can play with as well

If you are going to attached a large number of HD cams I would add more memory and also ensure that you are running a licensed copy and not a demo. See this thread. https://www.ipcamtalk.com/showthread.php/6201-Blue-iris-and-CPU-consumption-as-it-relates-to-memory-usage

 

[Lowvoltage]

Just ordered the Optiplex 9020 i7-4790 - 8GB Ram for $495.00

Thats a good price where did you get it, I dont see it in dell outlet store.

 

[spyfly81]

This is 3 hikvision 3MP cams @ 20fps and 1 foscam @ 640x480 @ 15 fps using 40% cpu

if I drop the hikvision's to 1080p @ 8fps the cpu goes down to 27%, pretty happy so far, going to add more cameras after dinner