Dahua Starlight Varifocal Turret (IPC-HDW5231R-Z)

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@EMPIRETECANDY , is this model (DH-IPC-HDW5231R-Z) on the short list of obsolescence from Dahua? I was just viewing the most recent international on line catalogue and do not see it there any longer. The closes model seems to be the DH-IPC-HDW2231R-ZS, which seems to have a slightly wider lens range, one less feed and no audio interface, and is limited to 30 fps.
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They keep moving stuff around on their website. Here's the HDW5231R-Z for now; http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/3651
 
So I recently returned a Lorex 4k system back to Costco, I was not satisfied with the night vision on the system, so now I am on the search and the Dahua Starlight cameras seem to be the best (within my budget).

1) are these still the go too camera for clear night vision?

I am looking to get 4 now and later add another 2-4 more , my house lot is not big , 50 feet to the front mail box from the front door.

2)coverage for car park in drive way about 15 feet from camera and back yard door and pool area.

3) also which NVR will provide POE and up to 8 cameras if need, the nvr should match the performance of the cameras, don't need a 4k nvr if the cameras don't record on 4k .

4) do I still need external ir illumination with starlight ?
Sorry if I went long , there are lots of people here with vast know how on these systems, beyond my capabilities, so I prefer a plug and play as I learn my way , your time is appreciated and your guidance welcome ,thanks William.
 
I have the same NVR as above. No issues so far. I will eventually step into the BI realm but the main location in need does not have Internet access availbble yet. Not much f a cost savings not yo get the 4K so as not yo limit options in the future.

I am playing with a lot of external IR lighting. I have found it helps eliminate shadow areas, extends the viewing even of the starlight cameras. I have several if the 5231s, tried many others, even a bunch of analog, CVI, hdcvi options. 5331s are the cats meow in most instances.
 
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I have the same NVR as above. No issues so far. I will eventually step into the BI realm but the main location in need does not have Internet access availbble yet. Not much f a cost savings not yo get the 4K so as not yo limit options in the future.

I am playing with a lot of external IR lighting. I have found it helps eliminate shadow areas, extends the viewing even of the starlight cameras. I have several if the 5231s, tried many others, even a bunch of analog, CVI, hdcvi options. 5331s are the cats meow in most instances.
 
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The 5231R is the "goto" for quality night vision, as well as quality day vision.

External IR has a lot of advantages. My favorites are that it keeps the bugs away from the camera and eliminates lots of false triggers from rain, snow and fog.

You could still set up a PC and a multiport PoE injector without internet access and save a step. It might be a little more expensive than an NVR but would eliminate having an NVR left over when you make the switch. A decent i7 machine can be had, used, off of FleaBay or even direct from Dell or other manufacturer. Eventually, you might want to replace the multiport PoE injector with a real, managed, PoE switch with all the bells and whistles.
 
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PR1962 said:
So I recently returned a Lorex 4k system back to Costco, I was not satisfied with the night vision on the system, so now I am on the search and the Dahua Starlight cameras seem to be the best (within my budget).

1) are these still the go too camera for clear night vision?

I am looking to get 4 now and later add another 2-4 more , my house lot is not big , 50 feet to the front mail box from the front door.

2)coverage for car park in drive way about 15 feet from camera and back yard door and pool area.

3) also which NVR will provide POE and up to 8 cameras if need, the nvr should match the performance of the cameras, don't need a 4k nvr if the cameras don't record on 4k .

4) do I still need external ir illumination with starlight ?
Sorry if I went long , there are lots of people here with vast know how on these systems, beyond my capabilities, so I prefer a plug and play as I learn my way , your time is appreciated and your guidance welcome ,thanks William.
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The “Cliff Notes” link in my signature might help with your research.


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PR1962 said:
So I recently returned a Lorex 4k system back to Costco, I was not satisfied with the night vision on the system, so now I am on the search and the Dahua Starlight cameras seem to be the best (within my budget).

1) are these still the go too camera for clear night vision?

I am looking to get 4 now and later add another 2-4 more , my house lot is not big , 50 feet to the front mail box from the front door.

2)coverage for car park in drive way about 15 feet from camera and back yard door and pool area.

3) also which NVR will provide POE and up to 8 cameras if need, the nvr should match the performance of the cameras, don't need a 4k nvr if the cameras don't record on 4k .

4) do I still need external ir illumination with starlight ?
Sorry if I went long , there are lots of people here with vast know how on these systems, beyond my capabilities, so I prefer a plug and play as I learn my way , your time is appreciated and your guidance welcome ,thanks William.
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Can ya link the lorex setup ya had from costco?
I was about to get one since i found out I can put Dahua with them, but if those 4k nightowls are crap at night then forget it I will build a complete dahua with the 2ks here.
thanx
 
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awsum140 said:
The 5231R is the "goto" for quality night vision, as well as quality day vision.

External IR has a lot of advantages. My favorites are that it keeps the bugs away from the camera and eliminates lots of false triggers from rain, snow and fog.

You could still set up a PC and a multiport PoE injector without internet access and save a step. It might be a little more expensive than an NVR but would eliminate having an NVR left over when you make the switch. A decent i7 machine can be had, used, off of FleaBay or even direct from Dell or other manufacturer. Eventually, you might want to replace the multiport PoE injector with a real, managed, PoE switch with all the bells and whistles.
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What's the advantage of a managed switch?

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PR1962 said:
So I recently returned a Lorex 4k system back to Costco, I was not satisfied with the night vision on the system, so now I am on the search and the Dahua Starlight cameras seem to be the best (within my budget).

1) are these still the go too camera for clear night vision?

I am looking to get 4 now and later add another 2-4 more , my house lot is not big , 50 feet to the front mail box from the front door.

2)coverage for car park in drive way about 15 feet from camera and back yard door and pool area.

3) also which NVR will provide POE and up to 8 cameras if need, the nvr should match the performance of the cameras, don't need a 4k nvr if the cameras don't record on 4k .

4) do I still need external ir illumination with starlight ?
Sorry if I went long , there are lots of people here with vast know how on these systems, beyond my capabilities, so I prefer a plug and play as I learn my way , your time is appreciated and your guidance welcome ,thanks William.
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1-Yes they are.
2-Use this to determine cam placement: IPVM Camera Calculator V3 keep PPF>100
3-The NVR mentioned above will do nicely for you. The NVR can provide the poe for you or you can get a NON-POE version of the NVR then use a POE switch. This allows you more flexibility in placement of the NVR. As you would run all cams cables to the POE switch, then only one cable from switch to the NVR. If you think you want an 8channel NVR, buy the 16 for future proofing very little cost difference.
4-More light never hurts. It depends on your exact situation.

There is NO need to purchase a multiport poe injector, a poe switch is about the same cost and doesn't care if its connected to the internet or not.
 
The advantage of a managed switch would be setting up a separate VLAN for the cameras, being able to monitor power consumption of each port and if it's a smart switch it will handle any version of PoE currently available automagically. I don't want to dispute Looney, but I have an eight port, 60 watt, injector that only cost about $50. I know PoE switches, unmanaged, are inexpensive, but I think they're more expensive that $50. Could be wrong, frequently am.
 
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A VLAN needs to be created at/by the device that does the actual network switching, IE all the devices need to be plugged into it for network connectivity and it determines which network they are one.
 
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The advantage of a managed switch would be setting up a separate VLAN for the cameras, being able to monitor power consumption of each port and if it's a smart switch it will handle any version of PoE currently available automagically. I don't want to dispute Looney, but I have an eight port, 60 watt, injector that only cost about $50. I know PoE switches, unmanaged, are inexpensive, but I think they're more expensive that $50. Could be wrong, frequently am.
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Yes, when talking managed, the price is higher. ;)
I do a lot of drive-by postings, so I may miss details at times. :)
 
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Yes, when talking managed, the price is higher. ;)
I do a lot of drive-by postings, so I may miss details at times. :)
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Don't tell me you're a member of the Main Stream Media!
 
I've had a couple of these cameras for over a year now and I've only just realised you can adjust the IR strength up and down.

Maxed out the camera is pulling about 50% extra power compared to the standard SmartIR setting.

I've ramped up the power of my 4Mp Dahua and actually dropped the power on the Starvis cameras to see how they fare tonight.
 
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PapaBill said:
Can ya link the lorex setup ya had from costco?

It was their camera system LNR6826K - Lorex 4K Capable HD NVR w/2TB HDD (LNR61082T) & 6x4K Cameras (LNB8005-C) , daytime it had great picture , but night time I was not impressed, then I had issues with the NVR which was replaced, there are positive reviews on this system, I could be that i, rookie, had not configured it correctly , playback on my phone was really slow , it had plenty of features I just wish it was more user friendly.
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