Looking for a camera security system.

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  1. nuraman00

    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Bump, anyone?

    EDIT: The Dahua sales rep said some of the NVRs have PoE switches on them, and some don't.
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Just a mini update of sorts.

    * I called a local company, Cypress Video. They gave me an estimate for 5 cameras, a NVR, and a 22" monitor. With installation.

    They don't do 3rd party installation.

    When I asked about whether I should get varifocal lens cameras, they said no, and that fixed lens have better resolution. Not sure I agree with that.

    * California Security Camera: They are working on my estimate.

    They are fine with either their products, or installing 3rd party products.

    * Security Camera Warehouse: They want floor plans and pictures, so I'm working on putting that together so I can get an estimate.

    * PSS Electronics: Have an appointment next week for an estimate.

    * Dahua: The sales rep just called me back. Another sales rep will be in contact with me and refer me to retailers and installers. Will also work with me about an estimate (but I think that will be more about product information before referring me to the installer).


    I need to find out if any of these offer technical support on the weekends, as that could be a difference maker.
     
  3. fenderman

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    Any company that tells you that fixed cameras have "better" resolution than varifocal are incompetent baboons or scammers, neither of which is a good sign...you can direct them to this post.
    Dont chase megapixels....2mp starlight cameras perform significantly better than 4mp cameras in low light....most of these companies will charge you 3-5 times the cost of having someone run the cable and install your own cams..they will also likely offer cameras that they make the best margin on, not the cameras that are best for you...
     
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    I chose based on the great info available on this site. I bought 4 of the Dahua Starlight Varifocal Turret (IPC-HDW5231R-Z) and one of the I'll be the guinea pig for the new SD59225U-HNI PTZ.

    Reason I bought four of the same? Because they are the best cam going, and being varifocal they work great in all my locations.
     
  5. nuraman00

    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Agree, I thought so.
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Where can I find the equivalent of that on the US version of their site?

    Network Cameras - IPC-HFW5100-IRA, IPC-HFW5200-IRA, IPC-HFW5100D

    I can't find an equivalent for the Eco Savy series.

    Why did you buy the Eco Savy 3.0 series, and not the Eco Savy ePoE 3.0 series?

    When I chatted briefly with the Dahua rep, she said to use the US version of the site.

    But she also said Steve, the sales rep who knows about cameras, would be in touch with me to help me.

    If I wanted to buy a Dahau NVR, what model would you suggest?

    I would need 7 gigs for 30 days of recording with 8 cameras, so I might as well buy 2 WD purple HDs. If I only get 6 cameras then 5.1 Gigs would be enough so 1 hard drive is good enough.

    I would think this one, right? I'd try for a 16 channel instead of an 8 channel just in case I ever expand.

    DHI-NVR52A16-16P-4KS2

    What does the "1U" mean? I see some with "2U".
     
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    bguy Getting the hang of it

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    There's a lot to learn, and some of it is easier to learn hands on. Also, a lot of the choices are going to be what works best for you. I'm very familiar with networking and computers, so DIY is no problem for me. I decided I wanted a 1080p IP camera system as a minimum, and found a good starter system to learn on. I got a reasonable priced Laview (rebranded hikvision) system with 4 cams and an 8 channel NVR. I got this one almost 2 years ago: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16881183059. I got it on sale for $300, which was, and still is, a good deal for what I got. And I added a 3TB WD Purple drive. I wanted an NVR rather an a BI PC for the simplicity, smaller size, and less power consumption and less noise.

    If you get an NVR, make sure it it can accept other ONVIF cameras. I've seen some of the Lorex systems that say they only accept Lorex cameras.

    As noted a bunch already, the cameras included with the systems are normally wide angled. The ones I got were 4mm, about 90 degrees. They are good for watching doors, not so good for watching the street. But the NVR has 4 left over channels for adding cameras.

    I moved and didn't set the cameras up in the new house, so I loaned it to my nephew for his house. He seems to like the system and added another camera.
     
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    Just to offer some defence, perhaps they meant image quality... often in a very similar price bracket, fixed lens do give better image quality, you will see that in normal cameras too.
    I think the benefit that the exact fit a varifocal can give you would more than make up for a tiny improvement at a single fixed length.
     
  9. nuraman00

    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    A question about NVRs.

    I want to use a 1080p as a display, as well as a new (not yet purchased) 4K monitor @ 4 MP.

    I asked about using this NVR, which has 1 HDMI out. I asked if I can use a HDMI splitter and an HDMI extender.

    N42B3P

    The installer said that you can't display two different resolutions that way.

    He said you need this NVR with dual HDMI out to display at two different resolutions:

    DHI-NVR54A16-16P-4KS2

    Is this true?

    What would happen if I tried to view 4MP on my 1080p TV? I read that a Blu Ray player downscales it, for example. But I'm concerned with a NVR, not a Blu Ray player.
     
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    1. How do you know Lorex is a rebranding of Dahua?
    Doesnt matter both are dump truck brands.

    2.I think I'm still not understanding the purpose of the PoE switch. Don't I just connect an ethernet cable from each port on the NVR, to each camera?
    POE (Power over Ethernet) Expl. each port if it is an 802.xxat port will put out around 60 wats each. and it is hardware safe which means you cant smoke cameras or anything else you plug into a poe port it is auto sensing. thus no power cables to run. just a cat 6/7 cable. however most of your higher end cameras take alot of power such as 100 150 watts under a load and must use AC power 24vAC @ 4Amps
    which poe will not put out.

    3. I called a local company, Cypress Video. They gave me an estimate for 5 cameras, a NVR, and a 22" monitor. With installation.
    Of course they will they are making mega bucks on the cams nvr (which is nothing more than a pc with a large hard drive and some software) and a monitor.
    which you probably already have. If you go with geovision cameras the software come free with no limit on cameras per license.
     
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    Hi Rob,

    What brand(s) do you prefer and why?

    Thank You
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Rob C. seems to prefer Geovision, as mentioned in this post here #70.

    Look at the "***************************** REPLY ***********************" section where he quotes my post. He added a response there.
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Just an update on my search.

    I've gotten estimates from Cypress Video; California Security Cameras; Enteractive Networks; See Clear; and a parts supplier, Security Camera Warehouse.

    Enteractive Networks and See Clear install Dahau products.

    California Security Cameras quote was for Sony cameras, but say they'll install 3rd party products too. They say if you go 3rd party, then buy all the parts yourself.

    There's differences in the parts that they all suggest, as well as how trustworthy I think they are. And large differences in installation costs.

    So I'm evaluating the few that I like more than others, and asking questions about whether specific products will work with my setup, or asking questions about installations.

    If anyone has an answer to this, that would be appreciated.

    #69
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Does anyone have any recommendations on a wall mountable 4K monitor? I think a 21 or 22" is fine. Probably a max of 41 or 42".
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    What do you think about this. If I get a TV with built in Wi Fi, what if I were to use that TV's web interface to view the cameras? Would I still be viewing it at 4K?

    If so, would that be better/easier than using a HDMI extender from the NVR?

    If so, I could perhaps get the NVR model with 1 HDMI. Connect that to my 1080p TV downstairs.

    Then use the new 4K TV's web interface upstairs to view it at 4K.

    Do you think there would be any issues with lag or something?
     
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    Agree with power supply problems with the wireless ones. We have an Arlo pro and I must say their batteries will really need to be improved.
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    Thanks for sharing your experience.
     
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    nuraman00 Getting the hang of it

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    This is the monitor I'm going with now:

    Sony XBR-X900E 4K HDR Ultra HD LCD TV Review (XBR-49X900E, XBR-55X900E, XBR-65X900E, XBR-75X900E) -

    After the responses in this thread:

    http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...-pioneer-still-make-tvs-usa.html#post54918964