New Here and looking or ways to setup home surveillance.

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Hello,
Currently in the research phase in building out a home surveillance system. I want to buy the hardware and do it myself, it will be a project to learn and play. I have a little background in casino surveillance and a little background in networking. Sorry if anything I say sounds illogical, I'm learning. I also understand I will not have industry class software and hardware from the likes of Pelco, Avigilon, Genetec, ect.

What I would like to accomplish is installing the networking with used Cisco switches and router. This would sit behind my cable modem and home router. I want to set up a server or PC to record and store the IP camera data and access it across the network, i.e. my main computer where I would be able to watch the recorded video and scrub the timeline. Basically a workstation that can access the data.

I apologize if the information is vague but any insight would be appreciated.
 

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Read study plan before spending money.
Go slow, start small and grow.
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My standard welcome to the forum message.

Read Study Plan before spending money
Cameras are for surveillance to get information for after the fact.

Please read the IP Cam Talk Cliff Notes and other items in the IP Cam Talk Wiki. (read on a real computer, not a phone). The wiki is in the blue bar at the top of the page.

Read How to Secure Your Network (Don't Get Hacked!) in the wiki also.


Quick start
1) If you do not have a wired monitored alarm system, get that first
2) your first camera should be a good variable focus camera to check camera placement and the correct lens.
3) Use Dahua starlight cameras or Hikvision darkfighter cameras if you need good low light cameras.
4) use a VPN to access home network (openVPN)
5) Do not use wifi cameras.
6) Do not use cloud storage
7) Do Not use uPNP, P2P, QR, do not open ports,
8) More megapixel is not necessarily better.
9) Avoid chinese hacked cameras (most ebay, amazon, aliexpress cameras(not all, but most))
10) Do not use reolink, ring, nest, Arlo cameras (they are junk), no cloud cameras
11) If possible use a turret camera , bullet collect spiders, dome collect dirt and reflect light (IR)
12) Use only solid copper, AWG 23 or 24 ethernet wire. , no CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum)
13) use a test mount to verify the camera mount location. My test rig: rev.2
14) (Looney2ns)If you want to be able to ID faces, don't mount cams higher than 7ft. You want to know who did it, not just what happened.
15) Use a router that has openVPN built in (Most ASUS, Some NetGear....)
16) camera placement use the calculator... IPVM Camera Calculator V3
17) POE list PoE Switch Suggestion List
18) Camera Sensor size, bigger is general better Sensor Size Chart
19) Camera lens size, a bigger number give more range but less field of view. Which Security Camera Lens Size Should I Buy?
20) verify your camera placement, have a friend wearing a hoodie, ball cap and sunglasses looking down approach the house, can you identify them ?

Cameras to look at
IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED . Review IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED (Full Color, Starlight+) - 4MP starlight
.................... Dahua IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED review
IPC-T5442TM-AS ..... Review-OEM 4mp AI Cam IPC-T5442TM-AS Starlight+ - 4MP starlight+
IPC-HDW5442-ZE ..... Dahua IPC-HDW5442T-ZE 4MP Varifocal Turret - Night Perfomance testing -- variable focus 4 MP Starlight
IPC-B5442E-ZE ...... Review - OEM IPC-B5442E-ZE 4MP AI Varifocal Bullet Camera With Starlight+
IPC-HFW7442H-Z ..... Review - Dahua IPC-HFW7442H-Z 4MP Ultra AI Varifocal Bullet Camera -- MP variable focus AI
IPC-T2347G-LU ...... Review of the Hikvision OEM model IPC-T2347G-LU 'ColorVu' IP CCTV camera. (DS-2CD2347G1-LU)
IPC-HDW2231R-ZS .... Review-Dahua IPC-HDW2231RP-ZS Starlight Camera-Varifocal
IPC-HDW2231T-ZS-S2 . Review-OEM IPC-T2231T-ZS 2mp Varifocal Starlight Camera
IPC-HDW5231R-ZE .... Review-Dahua Starlight IPC-HDW5231R-ZE 800 meter capable ePOE
IPC-HFW4239T-ASE ... IPC-HFW4239T-ASE
IPCT-HDW5431RE-I ... Review - IP Cam Talk 4 MP IR Fixed Turret Network Camera
IPC-T5241H-AS-PV ... Review-OEM IPC-T5241H-AS-PV 2mp AI active deterrence cam
IPC-T3241-ZAS ...... Review-OEM IPC-T3241-ZAS 2mp AI Lite series Varifocal -- 2mp AI Lite series Varifocal
IPC-HFW2831T-ZS ... Review-Dahua IPC-HFW2831T-ZS 8MP WDR IR Bullet Network Camera -- 8MP Bullet 1/1.8” sensor variable focus.
DS-2CD2325FWD-I
N22AL12 ............ New Dahua N22AL12 Budget Cam w/Starlight -- low cost entry
IPC-T2347G-LU....... Review-Loryta OEM 4MP IPC-T2347G-LU ColorVu Fixed Turret Network 4mm lens & Junction Box -- 4MP ColorVu
.................... Review of the Hikvision OEM model IPC-T2347G-LU 'ColorVu' IP CCTV camera.

Other dahua 4MP starlight
My preferred indoor cameras
DS-2CD2442FWD-IW
IPC-K35A
If interested in Blue Iris and other setup items see the following post

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What I would like to accomplish is installing the networking with used Cisco switches and router. This would sit behind my cable modem and home router.
Welcome to the forum. You do not need another router behind your home router. Since you are here, I will assume you are looking for IP cams. Really check out the info @SouthernYankee posted above. You can either go with an NVR or a PC running cam software like Blue Iris. Personally I went with a PC and Blue Iris (BI). You don't need enterprise grade equipment (like Cisco) for your home. I just run Netgear SOHO or other models of POE switches, but many here swear by getting used enterprise switches from eBay.

If you decide to go the NVR route, it is a good idea to choose all one brand of cams and NVR. Mixing brands will give you headaches. However, if you go the PC and BI route, then mixing brands of cams is fine. Personally I have gone with all Dahua cams. Currently have 18 cams recording spread over 10 different models. Have five more on the bench to install once the temps get a little cooler.

Before you go buying all of your cams and installing them, it is a good idea to make a plan and test out each location. Buy one varifocal cam and build a test rig like discussed in the Cliff Notes to test out your plan/ideas. This will help you to decide which models will work best for each location. I believe in fit-for-purpose picking of cams. That is why I have 10 different models.
 

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Welcome to the forum. You do not need another router behind your home router. Since you are here, I will assume you are looking for IP cams. Really check out the info @SouthernYankee posted above. You can either go with an NVR or a PC running cam software like Blue Iris. Personally I went with a PC and Blue Iris (BI). You don't need enterprise grade equipment (like Cisco) for your home. I just run Netgear SOHO or other models of POE switches, but many here swear by getting used enterprise switches from eBay.

If you decide to go the NVR route, it is a good idea to choose all one brand of cams and NVR. Mixing brands will give you headaches. However, if you go the PC and BI route, then mixing brands of cams is fine. Personally I have gone with all Dahua cams. Currently have 18 cams recording spread over 10 different models. Have five more on the bench to install once the temps get a little cooler.

Before you go buying all of your cams and installing them, it is a good idea to make a plan and test out each location. Buy one varifocal cam and build a test rig like discussed in the Cliff Notes to test out your plan/ideas. This will help you to decide which models will work best for each location. I believe in fit-for-purpose picking of cams. That is why I have 10 different models.
Thank both of you for the information. The reason for the switch and router equipment is because I am an IT student working on my CCNA at the moment and it gives me a reason to set up a home lab with actual functionality.

Good Idea on the varifocal camera to understand placement and field of view. What I dealt with in the Casino industry was that the raw data was recorded to a server and you viewed the streams and did your recording on a client station attached to the network. That is kind of what I am looking for but I understand that it may not be possible without expensive solutions that I am not going to partake in. Blue Iris does look awesome though and my just go that route.
 

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The reason for the switch and router equipment is because I am an IT student working on my CCNA at the moment and it gives me a reason to set up a home lab with actual functionality.
Cool. It is a good idea to NOT route cam traffic through your router. No reason to. It is also a good idea to isolate the cams from the internet and the rest of your LAN. Either by using VLANs or physical isolation. I am using physical isolation as it is the simplest way to do it.
 
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Order one varifocal camera first and try out each of your locations. From what I can see, the one on the side, near the peak, is wayyyyy too high and won't provide anything useful enough to identify who did what or maybe even what they did with any real detail. The general rule of thumb is to install cameras no higher than seven feet, about two meters. to be able to properly identify miscreants. The other two in the front are also too high to be effective for identification.

Read the information in the Cliff Notes, in the blue bar at the top of the page. There is a lot of excellent information there regarding camera types, placement and building up an EFFECTIVE system. Above all, test before starting the installation of any camera. Test by wearing a cap and/or a hoodie, or have a friend do the test, and see if you can identify who is in the scene well enough to be useful.

The varifocal camera will let you see what lens size is needed as well. There is a converter in the Cliff Notes to assist with that determination. That camera can also be used in the final installation as well, so it's not a waste of money.
 
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Order one varifocal camera first and try out each of your locations. From what I can see, the one on the side, near the peak, is wayyyyy too high and won't provide anything useful enough to identify who did what or maybe even what they did with any real detail. The general rule of thumb is to install cameras no higher than seven feet, about two meters. to be able to properly identify miscreants. The other two in the front are also too high to be effective for identification.

Read the information in the Cliff Notes, in the blue bar at the top of the page. There is a lot of excellent information there regarding camera types, placement and building up an EFFECTIVE system. Above all, test before starting the installation of any camera. Test by wearing a cap and/or a hoodie, or have a friend do the test, and see if you can identify who is in the scene well enough to be useful.

The varifocal camera will let you see what lens size is needed as well. There is a converter in the Cliff Notes to assist with that determination. That camera can also be used in the final installation as well, so it's not a waste of money.

Thanks Sebastianbombs, I just realized I posted in someone else's thread.
 
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